View Poll Results: Which of the following is most damaging to Martial Arts?

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  • Mc Dojos

    413 35.00%
  • Charlatans / Bullshido Artists

    387 32.80%
  • Bruce Lee

    31 2.63%
  • MMA Events

    41 3.47%
  • Mysticism

    180 15.25%
  • Technology (internet, games etc)

    28 2.37%
  • The Karate Kid

    50 4.24%
  • All other MA films

    40 3.39%
  • MA-based childrens' toys

    10 0.85%
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  1. #11

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    May 2003
    I think there are two things missing on that list. TKD, specifically "sport TKD" and Mightly Morphin Power rangers ( not the toys, the show).
    I noticed a rapid decline in the quality of Korean MA after TKD became an olympic sport. Now many TKD only Teach sport TKD and finding a traditional TKD that actally still teaches Self defense has become near impossible.
    Mightly Morphin Power rangers have given kids and parents a delussion of what Martials arts is and should be. It's lead to the mass marketing if the MAs and fuels the rise of the Mcdojo and the creation of XMA.
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  2. #12

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    Oct 2002
    Bolton, Lancashire, UK
    Mysticism is definately the worst thing, be it "aikidoka don't need to be physically fit to defeat 10 muggers" to "Tai Chi is teh ancient skill of non combat martial art" (no joke - thats how its described on a flyer for my local gym).
    MMA has been a great debunker of these myths, and has allowed the more open minded TMAers to rethink their arts into a better way of training.
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  3. #13
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    Nov 2003
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    Whatever Works
    yeah..that what I voted for too. All the mystic stuff can get annoyed..stop trying to shoot firballs and just fight.
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  4. #14

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    Oct 2003
    new jersey
    mysticism , but ego plays a major role in causing a person to believe they can achieve power that is incomprehensible to others.

  5. #15

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    Jun 2003
    mystecism enables many of the others like charlatans and stupid movies

  6. #16
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    Jan 2004
    Colorado Springs, CO
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    All the mystic stuff, the video games, the power rangers and bruce lee are all good for martial arts. It's all hype but it generates interest. I think it's up to the school to level with the students and say all that crap is just Hollywood. It's the schools that actually teach the hype that are bad for martial arts. That's why I voted for the McDojo.

  7. #17
    Such as thou art, sometime was I. supporting member
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    Sep 2002
    Brazilian Jiujitsu
    I really, really wanted to vote for Bruce Lee. But I have to admit it, the sinister infection of mysticism is what divorced martial arts from physical reality. Within the last week, we actually had a poster claiming that Wong Kiew Kit could move clouds...Words fail.
    Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

  8. #18

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    Sep 2003
    Shi Ja Quan
    How about adding "all of the above" as an option?

  9. #19
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    Jan 2004
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    Budo Taijutsu
    C'mon, there's alot of things. You can't really put it to a vote. But, anyone that learns something serious and makes a joke out of it doesnt help. Also, when people see a movie and believe that's what they'll learn, it doesn't help. So many reasons....
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  10. #20

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    Feb 2004
    south of europe
    ok I voted for Charlatans/BS, but of course a lot of damage comes from the stupid attitude that some Westerners have to worship everything that comes from Japan/China etc. And also, Westerners shouldn't try to teach and learn the way that Jap/Chinese do. We have different culture and different scientific concepts, and we shall respect ourselves and not only respect the others.
    Only in the 1990s UFC/vale tudo events showed that wrestlers were not inferior to Karate/Kung Fu/TKD styles; they were even better, especially if they could boxe decently. No fuckin' "Chi/KI": just good hardcore training, bio-mechanics and will to win. How much is cinema guilty then? a LOT! all that crap showing high spinning kicks or ppl breaking 25 bricks instills a false idea of security in students who think they can defend themselves b/c their "Master" can do such spectacular circus moves.
    Also, you guys on Bullshido forums often make fun out of RBMA, but some concepts like awareness, striking first, keepin' it simple, avoiding useless rigid blocks etc. etc. all come from h2h combat that was tested in battlefields (like Fairbairn/Applegate stuff). And it's a very good think happening in the MA world.

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