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    Quote Originally Posted by Gezere
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    I gave up dance for aikido.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raging Monkey
    While I have only done one Aikido seminar, as kind of a laugh to be honest, I just shake my head at the whole bashing people do of the whole wrist grab thing you see in JJJ and Aikido.

    Wrist grabs are an integral part of any old Japanese system, and while Aikido is a gendai art I can only assume that it's roots in older traditions is why they are so ingrained in it's syllabus. Understanding how to escape wrist grabs is the key to weapon retention, and conversely understanding how to grab someone's wrist effectively is the key to understanding weapon disarms. To attack someone with a punch or a kick while they had a sword in their belt (be it a long or short one depending on the time period and social class) or a staff in their hand is ridiculous, so you had very involved systems of te hodoki spring up in most systems. This was a necessity... and while I do think that the way they have devolved in Aikido is not very effective, the theory behind them is sound and it is something anyone who regularly carries a weapon (LEO, Military, Security, etc...) should be well schooled in.
    For those it pertains to in this thread, does JJJ retain wrist holds/grabbing with a focus to classical weapons, or do some ryu focus more on unarmed? Regarding weapons combat they had a big place (as mentioned, one of the only ways) to either retain or disarm a weapon, but I was a bit curious as to if this is implemented with weapons training in JJJ branches.

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    I got to my first stich in Aikido. Eech, Ni, Son, Chi. repeating that is pretty much all I did....I was 7 at the time imme a break. Watching me do Aikido would have made anyone laugh just as much as the most recent episode of DFT News.

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    Aikido sucks, film at 11.

    "Most people don't teach it with the right kuzushi"

    This being the same bullshit argument used for every crappy style. Troll.
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    Dude, whassup? Did they freeze your dick then accidentally use it to cool down a thimble full of water? Or, did you mis-spell crayonist? You know, the guy who makes sure the wax crayons you use aren't too sharp in case you decide to do the decent thing and kill yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Boss
    For those it pertains to in this thread, does JJJ retain wrist holds/grabbing with a focus to classical weapons, or do some ryu focus more on unarmed? Regarding weapons combat they had a big place (as mentioned, one of the only ways) to either retain or disarm a weapon, but I was a bit curious as to if this is implemented with weapons training in JJJ branches.
    Pre-Edo era Japanese martial arts all focused on weapons. As peace settled throughout the country is when a lot of the unarmed only schools started popping up; but even then almost all of them still kept the roots of the older systems (e.g. - Lots of wrist grabbing). What happened though is as time moved on things became more and more stylized as the actual use of the weapons became a thing of the past and now we have the ultra-stylized movements such as those found in Aikido and other gendai arts.

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    I study aikijutsu - the art that Ueshiba originally trained in before watering it down and creating aikido. If you don't know AJ - think JJ with an added aiki aspect. The aikido federations in the UK will not let us join, because we are 'too rough'. I am not knocking aikido, but simply think Ueshiba threw the baby out with the bathwater when he removed the more martial techniques to form his own 'art'

    No sensei should complain when his techniques are shown to not work, he should endevour to change the bogus technoiques so they do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raging Monkey
    Pre-Edo era Japanese martial arts all focused on weapons. As peace settled throughout the country is when a lot of the unarmed only schools started popping up; but even then almost all of them still kept the roots of the older systems (e.g. - Lots of wrist grabbing). What happened though is as time moved on things became more and more stylized as the actual use of the weapons became a thing of the past and now we have the ultra-stylized movements such as those found in Aikido and other gendai arts.
    The latter was more so of my focus, its very interesting (on my end at least) to see what gendai views have come about and interpretations of Koryu for more modern practices.

    As for Ueshiba, I believe there's an article in BS that addressed this as a young to old transition, with the young Ueshiba incorporating a heavy martial aspect and the older changing/retconning what he had created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AikijustuBrit
    I study aikijutsu - the art that Ueshiba originally trained in before watering it down and creating aikido.
    We're still waiting for you to prove this.

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    We're still waiting for you to prove this.
    He can't.

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