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    First LARPing, now Mandancing!

    I thought of this on the morning commute to work today.

    For the past few years we've thoroughly entrenched the concept of people half-assing or disingenuously pursuing their MA training by labeling it LARPing; especially when they're fixated on cultural issues or the costumes or pursuing a set of skills that only exist in fantasy.

    So here's another way we can present BS martial arts training, for general consumption of the uneducated or ignorant public.


    Yeah, you heard me.

    I just posted a better explanation of the thought behind this on my blog.

    Here's a quote:

    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost's Blog Entry
    If we're being completely honest with ourselves, most people, yes even guys, like to dance. The amount of alcohol or level one needs to go to impress a female required to facilitate this happening will vary from individual to individual. But failing the sauce or the chance for musical foreplay, dancing is not the most masculine pursuit. Hell, John Wayne didn't dance. He did, however, kick copious amounts of ass.

    And with most urges that get repressed by society, people tend to find an outlet to pursue them in a socially acceptable manner or a manner that balances the urges with the image they want to put forth.

    You probably see where I'm going with this already...

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    The idea behind it is to create another simple concept to explain the need for objectivity in one's purposes for training MA, just like LARPing does.

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    I think it might make a nice little joke but to be honest it doesn't carry the legitimate psychological motivations and connotations that "LARPing" does.

    Funny idea though. More of a YMAS thing imo, though.

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    Here's the deal: if you don't think this idea has merit, fine. Explain your thoughts.

    But make no mistake, your view on this doesn't magically exempt you from the posting standards in this subforum.

    If I'd wanted to discuss this in a mostly humorous tone I'd have posted it in YMAS.

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    I see that little Kal 9 kicks .


    It is so cute in action .

    * edit for BS Standards *
    On topic ,

    Yes man dancing is a problem . See the truth about aikido video for details .

    What else needs to be said about it ?

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    please don't ban me .
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    I vote no. "Mandancing" doesn't carry connotations of self delusion. It's much less offensive than LARPing, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrost
    If I'd wanted to discuss this in a mostly humorous tone I'd have posted it in YMAS.
    1) Meh word.
    2) Not particularly trollish enough.
    3) Men dance together all the time in many parts of the world, yet the LARP schools still exist.

    Threads go where they go. You might be thinking this idea is something, but others are obviously having a hard time taking your topic seriously. Don't get annoyed. Consider how this thread is going more as a sanity check on how the idea is baked. So far, neo-natal care might have trouble saving it.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFGOON
    I vote no. "Mandancing" doesn't carry connotations of self delusion. It's much less offensive than LARPing, actually.
    Kind of what I said except with fewer words.

    I'm with SFGOON on this one.

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    Not trying to replace the LARPing concept, just augment it.

    If you strip away the image of learning how to fight, there isn't much difference between a forms-based McDojo and a Dance Studio. IThey're both filled with people dressing up in costumes and performing choreography.

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    A McDojo *is* surprisingly similar to the ballroom dance schools you see about (group delusional behaviour, same sales pitches, etc). I've attended both -- you see about 10 years ago I did get in to ballroom dancing for about a year. But it's still not quite bullshido, I did learn to tango quite well :) I also learned karate from a mcdojo for a year.

    But seriously, maybe "mandancing" is not the correct term, but wanting to be "dangerous" is a safe environment -- and in a group. It's the power of being a sheep. Perhap's a delusional one.

    I think Levi's had an ad last year that can be paraphrased as "express your self as an individual, wear our jeans". So, it's easier to feel that you are not posing, when you entrench yourself in a peer group that are doing the same.

    Now, I used to hang out in the goth scene. Dressed in knee-high combat boots, dressed in black. No, I never got in to make-up (eye-liner and glasses don't mix). I hung out with freaks and artists. Showing up to a club, and I'd find most of the freaks dressed in black were pretending to be vampires (seriously.... I'm not kidding). Whether they were playing a game (It's where the term LARPing originally came from, those that actually Live-Action-Role-Playing games like D&D and Vampire: The Masquerade), or seriously tried to be vamps. The "true" goths (those that didn't actually believe in vampiric abilities but liked the clothes and the music) would make fun of the vampire-wannabes. I went to dance, drink beer, and make fun of the guy trying to attract goth chics by sitting in a dark corner reading Nietzsche.

    I think the line gets cross when fantasy gets mixed with reality. Most people who actually "LARP" as a hobby have fun with it and can distinguish real life from elves and dwarfs (and lightning bolts!). The real problem is when either someone can't distinguish reality from fiction (like a fellow I met that believed everything he saw on "Kung Fu: The Legend" was 100% true) OR a person knows the differences but convinces gullable people of his/her version of the truth for personal gain (whether financial or just purely as ego-stroking).

    It's one thing to believe that it's real, another to LARP, knowing that it's not.

    But there has to be something to this behavioral model, that a group mindset that has a greater ability to sustain a delusion that an individual wouldn't necessarily be able to on his or her own -- and yes, it does extend far beyond the martial arts. I think you'd find it in any peer group (say political party or *ahem* church group).
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