1. #1

    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Queens, NY
    Posts
    3,008
    Style
    Boxing/BJJudo/Crossfit

    Good backup weapon for a NY LEO

    My friend is looking for a concealed backup gun. In NY it can only be a .38 - 9mm. Two other friends of mine are using the hammerless S&W .38. They love it. The one who's looking likes the Keltec .380 and I told him about the likely reliability issues. His reasoning is if he gets anything bigger, he won't wear it. Does anyone have a suggestion about a good compromise.
    Last edited by ojgsxr6; 4/12/2007 3:10pm at .

  2. #2
    i keep tryin to spar, but nothin happens! supporting member

    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    herndon, va, usa
    Posts
    3,526
    Style
    karate / bjj
    that's pretty much exactly what j-frames are designed for.

  3. #3
    rw4th's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    1,022
    Style
    BJJ,MT,RBSD (on hiatus)
    How about a Glock 26?

  4. #4

    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Queens, NY
    Posts
    3,008
    Style
    Boxing/BJJudo/Crossfit

  5. #5
    BackFistMonkey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Sinsinnatti Oh Hi Ho
    Posts
    14,673
    Style
    all things in Moderation

    I thought I was hearing that SW wasn't holding itself to the high standards it started and kept up with for many years ...
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
    BILL HICKS,
    1961-1994

    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

  6. #6
    Neildo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Vancouver BC
    Posts
    6,045
    Style
    FBSD
    Doesn't Anthony have a couple of those J-frames? I'm pretty sure he likes them.

  7. #7
    Equipoise's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    In the nightmares of bodybuilders.
    Posts
    3,433
    Style
    Chemical Assistance
    What does he carry on duty?

    We carry a .45 S & W. Decent gun, but outdated and heavy. I carry it off duty as well. I'll be purchasing a Beretta Storm shortly to also carry with me. Tell him to look into that weapon.

    I'm not a big fan of revolvers. All due to possible jamming issues, lack of ammunition and speed in reloading. This isn't the wild west. Due to the inaccuracy of handguns especially in an active shooter situation, supressive fire and tactics are going to matter much more than getting a clean kill shot.

  8. #8

    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    139
    Style
    Shotokan
    Quote Originally Posted by ojgsxr6
    My friend is looking for a concealed backup gun. In NY it can only be a .38 - 9mm. Two other friends of mine are using the hammerless S&W .38. They love it. The one who's looking likes the Keltec .380 and I told him about the likely reliability issues.
    The S&W hammerless J-frames are a great choice. Reliabilty isn't an issue, and the aluminum alloys that they use are strong enough to handle +P loads.

    A S&W 442 is only 15 ounces, and fits in a pocket holster or ankle holster with relative ease. Just make sure you have a *good* holster, though, and not some cheap POS.

    If you want to shave off an ounce or two or three, the 340 series uses a bit of Scandium in the alloy, although I really don't notice a huge difference between 12 and 15 ounces, since ammo also takes up some weight. Also, having to spend twice as much to shave off those couple of ounces isn't worth it to me, since good holsters mitigate that.

    For ammunition, I would suggest using Speer's .38 Special 130 grain Gold Dot +P JHP load that was designed for short barrels. This will have the "SB" designation on the box. This load was designed so that you can get reliable expansion from 2" barrels. Recoil from a J-frame may be a bit stiff, but hey, it's a backup gun after all.

    I simply do not recommend using full house .357 magnum loads in a J-frame, unless it's the all-steel model 60 or 640. Then again, those guns are about 22 ounces, and not really that ideal for pocket carry.

  9. #9

    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Posts
    139
    Style
    Shotokan
    On another note, S&W and to a lesser extent, Taurus, are the only real choices when looking for a small frame revolver. You can pretty much take Ruger off the list, since their SP series is all-steel, and too heavy as a BUG.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Log in