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    Help me with this investigation

    It's soooo secret that I'm posting it on a public forum...

    ever noticed just how many martial arts instructors claim association with LE or special forces?

    This is part of a possible article on that quirk of MA. Basically an exercise to log just how many martial artists claim that. Maybe if we demonstrated to the average consumer just how many martial artists make these claims then they might be better able to sniff the bullshit when their aikido instructor hints about his exploits with SEAL teams. Here's a starting point:



    So I need:

    Name of person making claim:
    special Forces organisation(s) claimed:
    Whether the claim relates to being a member of, teaching or is unclear.
    URL if possible.
    Screenshot or pictures if you feel they add value.


    Note: This exercise in itself does not aim to seperate the genuine claims from the bullshit, merely demonstrate the implausiblity that everyone is telling the truth. Cos if they were, the SEALs wouldn't ever have time for firearms training cos they've got a queue of martial artists to get through first.
    You are a total Douchbag. Train more, post nevermore.
    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

    just die already.
    Plasma - 08-20-2007 11:45 PM


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    Stephen K Hayes claims British and US military background? Damn when cousins marry...

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    Ugh, what a nightmare. What's the point of the vertical axis? Why the colored boxes, etc? Why not just make a straight up list?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaaargh
    Ugh, what a nightmare.
    I agree sorting through the tons of info and coming up with a format that is easily referenced and catches the eye while presenting large amounts of data is a nightmare .

    Especially when the point is to prove how improbable it is for them all to be telling the truth .
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    Dave Ferruolo : Navy SEAL http://www.daveferruolo.com/about.htm

    meant to hit preview ... not send ... post in progress
    Last edited by BackFistMonkey; 3/24/2007 9:38pm at . Reason: idioacrocy
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
    BILL HICKS,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey
    Dave Ferruolo : Navy SEAL http://www.daveferruolo.com/about.htm

    meant to hit preview ... not send ... post in progress
    Cheers, I've added him to the SEAL list. Interestingly he only seems to claim to have been a member, his site doesn't seem to imply he actually taught them MA(?).
    You are a total Douchbag. Train more, post nevermore.
    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

    just die already.
    Plasma - 08-20-2007 11:45 PM


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    Kelly Worden did train the SF folks on Fort Lewis for quite a long time. I'm not sure if he's still doing it, as I'm neither in SF nor one of Kelly's students (watched one of the classes taught by one of his junior/subordinate instructors, and wasn't all that impressed), but I can verify that he did at one time train them.

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    Yep. I'll change the colour on his tag to "instructed" - the list includes genuine, exagerated and blatantly false claims pretty much evenly - any details on the genuinity of claims will have to be a seperate part of any article* where I suppose Woden's claim will be supported as legit.


    *If this ever gets finished
    You are a total Douchbag. Train more, post nevermore.
    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

    just die already.
    Plasma - 08-20-2007 11:45 PM


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    I laugh as well when I read Special Forces as a resume add.

    Are the SEALS in shape? Hell yeah they are. But they are just like any other guy when fighting. When I was in the USMC, a few from my platoon (Comm Co.) got into a fight with the SEAL team on our boat at a beer tent on night. Details on the how and why are unimportant. They got pounded by lil ole Comm Co guys.

    So gangbangers+alcoholics+thugs > SEAL team

    After that exchange, Special Forces hand-to-hand lost any mystique it once might have had.

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    more examples of SF instructor online biographies and claims please
    You are a total Douchbag. Train more, post nevermore.
    FickleFingerOfFate -08-21-2007 08:59 AM

    just die already.
    Plasma - 08-20-2007 11:45 PM


    Aikidokkkkakkakakakaaaaa
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