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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    I used to believe that Aikido was in some ways useful. I quit after Sensei got really passive aggressive with me when I started asking about how I could apply what I was learning to real life a few months in.
    Have you read the article "Is Aikido a Martial Art" in BS archives?

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/arch...p/t-55548.html

    Its worth reading if you've ever studied Aikido.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapnMunchh View Post
    Have you read the article "Is Aikido a Martial Art" in BS archives?

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/arch...p/t-55548.html

    Its worth reading if you've ever studied Aikido.
    I did read it, and it made me sad. If that kind of Aikido still existed, I would still be studying that. The problem is that that style has either died out or is nigh impossible to find. I know how to fall properly which is nice, but aside from that I feel like I learned almost nothing of value during the five or so months that I trained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    I did read it, and it made me sad. If that kind of Aikido still existed, I would still be studying that. The problem is that that style has either died out or is nigh impossible to find. I know how to fall properly which is nice, but aside from that I feel like I learned almost nothing of value during the five or so months that I trained.
    Schools that train Aikido that way are definitely hard to find, but it's possible to find a few good training partners in an otherwise lame school and set your own limits. Realistically, tho, you'd need a bit more training than just 5 months' worth to get into that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapnMunchh View Post
    Schools that train Aikido that way are definitely hard to find, but it's possible to find a few good training partners in an otherwise lame school and set your own limits. Realistically, tho, you'd need a bit more training than just 5 months' worth to get into that.
    Yeah, with Muay Thai I've felt like I have been learning how to use what I am being taught from day one. I like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapnMunchh View Post
    Have you read the article "Is Aikido a Martial Art" in BS archives?

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/arch...p/t-55548.html

    Its worth reading if you've ever studied Aikido.
    You must have a crush on CapnMunchh, don't you? Go do some pushups or something.

    Sometimes I'm very happy that Bullshido has been around so long now and is so deep in it's articles and threads. Lately most of the "New Posts" threads haven't interested me much (though I'm sure there is some good stuff, it's just hidden in the ho hum) and like the time of Brand and The Wastrel's departing and aesopians ascension or Ronin's troubles with this site I find myself reading older threads and getting a lot out of them. There's SO much here, I'd never read Is Aikido a Martial Art and that led to Rock Ape's http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=94155 and that leads to http://rik-ellis.blogspot.com/. Good stuff here! And now I'll go back to getting ready for the CPA appointment Wednesday - though I will add, I saw GREAT aikido in the sixties in Hawaii; Sensei and sempai and some of the other couples were amazing - Sensei would demo some response like a throw to a rear choke and everyone would do it, but he and sempai would improvise all the way, throwing kicks punches, reversing throws, joints and what have you, looking like cats fighting, jump up, bow and do it again. I remember me and my karate buddy just going, "****! Did you see that side snap the sempai gave Sensei's neck as he was being thrown and Sensei did wtf? A one armed leg lock take down?"

    That dojo is long gone, and so is Logan Utah's Kyokushinkai (RIP Del, you were the man) and even Honolulu Kyokushin didn't outlive Shihan Lowe. Hell I'm feeling kinda sad; I know that my own small steps of understanding (ie., combining Kosho Shorei Ryu Kempo's full on sliding body movement reverse punch with Ali's sliding leaning stepping in left jab + Kyokushin's driving explosive shots) maybe will maybe have a tiny echo for a few younger folks, then fade away.
    http://www.ellisaikido.org/
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    Possibly you can teach those techniques to the younger folk and it will carry on through the ages... Things only fade away if you allow it to.

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    Here I go...

    1. I believed that eventually I be able to jump ridiciously high like two stories or something and each time I jumped eventually i'd learn to do like a roll * I was a child when I start shoot me*

    2. I believed in ninja magic, i'd be able to throw fireballs one day.

    3. I believed in the killing power of a shuriken...

    4. I believed that there was an art that was win all kill all beat all...what was it? ninjitsu

    5. I believed in the right dojo you could end up walking up as a samurai *oh the romanticism on it all*

    The end...im a kid I know...

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    Used to have faith in ninjutsu as a combat discipline

    Used to be a weeb with the 'eastern over western' mentality

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    Quote Originally Posted by gileanofgrey View Post
    Here I go...

    1. I believed that eventually I be able to jump ridiciously high like two stories or something and each time I jumped eventually i'd learn to do like a roll * I was a child when I start shoot me*

    2. I believed in ninja magic, i'd be able to throw fireballs one day.

    3. I believed in the killing power of a shuriken...

    4. I believed that there was an art that was win all kill all beat all...what was it? ninjitsu

    5. I believed in the right dojo you could end up walking up as a samurai *oh the romanticism on it all*

    The end...im a kid I know...
    too relatable

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    I think most of what I used to believe qualified.

    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    Yeah, with Muay Thai I've felt like I have been learning how to use what I am being taught from day one. I like that.
    One of the things I always noticed regarding traditional martial arts was the ubiquity of the questioning of whether it would work or not in real life. From both people outside the arts and inside them. About specific parts or the overall thing in general. And it always struck me that if you are training correctly, that type of questioning is moot. Absurd, even. You do not normally hear people question a boxer whether he would be able to punch out a guy in "the street" or not. Some things are pretty self-evident. You see people being taken down and choked out for real you are seeing it work. You see people punching and kicking for real, you see it work. You have to seriously add a lot of crap layers of abstraction/stylization/distortion or Bretchian-like intentional-distancing/remove to cloud that evidence.

    My father in law was one of the earliest karate practitioners here in my country. He had a rep for being a mean, ornery fellow which I was to see confirmed as true quite soon. He once told me in grandstanding manner that he had been in real fights and in real fights you would not really use martial arts. Of course, I did not need explanation ofr most of karate being tailored for sport and not real fighting, as I was already quite into cross-training and sparred heavily cross-style by then. But it struck me as pretty pathetic that this guy had trained for years and years and was admitting all that time and effort was mostly useless, yet tried to lecture me while continuing to do that same karate. I had to refrain myself from suggesting that meant he had been training wrong or badly for all those years. Some time later he tried to "correct me" during a class in which we were both participating, and he challenged me to stop his attack. It was pretty easy for me to immobilize him with a standing back-choke while he flailed uselessly. The Japanese teacher walked over and laughed at it. Did my political-family relationships no great favors to this day.

    I think it is useful to question every technique or strategy and test its implementation, but the moment you begin to really doubt the usefulness of what you are doing is the moment you should go and do something else instead.

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