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    WTF is a SPETNAZ shovel?

    So I've been reading a bunch of books lately that talk about a Spetnaz's shovel. What the hell is that? And why is it so important? Can someone shed some light on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirc
    So I've been reading a bunch of books lately that talk about a Spetnaz's shovel. What the hell is that?
    The last thing you'll see if you piss off the wrong russian

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    The Spetsnaz are reputedly quite t3h d34dl33 with their entrenching tools.

    Cold Steel (maker of a pretty badass kukri) manufactures a Spetz Shovel replica with pre-sharpened edges.

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    That is exactly what I meant sdave. You are dead on, as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antifa
    The last thing you'll see if you piss off the wrong russian
    HA! I like it!!

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    Here's the website for the above mentioned shovel:
    http://www.coldsteel.com/92sfs.html

    There's a clip from one of their "Proof" DVDs showing the destructive power of the shovel. I'll bet it could dig, too.

    For fun, here's the kukri he was talking about:
    http://www.coldsteel.com/35ltc.html
    There's another cutting demo that convinces me a cut from a kukri will ruin a person. They used to make a small version of the Gurkha kukri that was pretty good. Cold Steel has discontinued some of the stuff I like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antifa
    The last thing you'll see if you piss off the wrong russian
    I've pissed off alot of Russians and I only see them in military surplus stores , camping supply stores , and pictured on RBSD and Systema websites .

    If I am ever found with one buried in my forehead ... we know who did it ... and that Hapkido knife defenses don't work on small shovels .
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    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirc
    So I've been reading a bunch of books lately that talk about a Spetnaz's shovel. What the hell is that? And why is it so important? Can someone shed some light on this?
    Seriously though. Allegedly and from what I have heard (so I'm standing to be corrected if I'm wrong), a Spetnaz shovel is a military entrenching tool that is used by spetnaz. allegedly they are shapered and balanced for throwing.

    I've never seen one so....

    take it with a grain of salt... it might be systema propaganda

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    My dad's entrenching tool came with a sharpened edge. I used it to chop wood after I broke his woodaxe when we were camping once. It worked okay, but the handle shape made it a bit awkward.

    He picked it up at some surplus store, i think it was Canadian issue. Fully colapsable. *shrug*
    It broke a while back. Damn rust.


    The one sdave posted looks pretty sweet. I'd get one.

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    Historically, ET's as a melee weapon is well documented. During Stalingrad, Germans lacking SMG's prefered the shovel to their rifles and knifes in CQC and house to house fighting. There are lots of anecdotal evidence of ET's shovels and spades being used offensively in trench raiding combat in both world wars as well. At least two references to US troops using their ET's over knives or machetes in mano y mano combat in Vietnam.

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