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  1. #1

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    Jun 2003
    Hello everyone. Great site. I really dig what you are trying to accomplish here.

    So, with all the talk about what is wrong with schools, I was wondering: Are there things that you don't like about your school that you choose to ignore because you like the training. I'll give you some examples of what I am dealing with right now..

    1). My school seems to have a "shady" reputation. I would prefer not to go into any detail just yet.

    2). Prices have gone from "affordable", to "Are you kidding", with all new ways to charge you..

    3). I might just be paranoid, but lately I've noticed some "cultish" behavior.... "The Grand Master is an amazing human being." and all that horseshit! It is driving me nuts!

    However, I do enjoy the training. We spar, we have conditioning, and I like the system alot. Although we are a non-competitive school, I do have instructors who have competed and done well in NHB tournaments...

    Anyway... Pros and Cons.. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

  2. #2

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    Oct 2002
    Danvers MA
    if you llike the training, just dont get involved in the bullshit. every karate school has some form of politics.

    you go there to train, just continue what your doing. unless they are doing unethical illegal things, i would not be concerned.

    can you be specific about "cultish" behavior?

    "When attacked insult, and insult to kill"

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    cyrijl's Avatar
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    Mar 2003
    Boston, MA
    BJJ, MT, Yoga
    never ignore something you don't like.
    it is your school too...
    you might want to look into other schools in the area. Maybe there is something more suitable for you

    'Cuz it's a Khomeini-meini world after all
    There is no cheating, there is only jiu-jitsu.

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    Aug 2002
    Henderson, NV
    Buffalo Wing Chun
    1) Everybody and everything is at one point shady. I know you said you wouldn't like to go into detail, but it helps to say what they are shady about without going into graphic detail.

    2) Sometimes schools rent/leasing goes up, insurance rates jump, eletricity isn't as affordable as it was when the school first open, ect. Are some common reaons why school pricing will go up, but are they introducing new programs that seem "exciting" with other catch phrases or are they just introducing new pricing structures to make the raise in cost more accomodating to people?

    3) Is it more than one person doing? sometimes people fall into hero worship without realizing it. If it's the whole school falling to it's knees at the mere thought of the grand master, of course that's another story.

    From what it sounds like it doesn't like your training has suffered which is the foot prints when saying a school is "going mcdojo". Are there other people at your school that feel the same way?

    "But some apes they gotta go, so we kill the ones we don't know" - 'Ape shall never kill Ape' by The Vandals
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    Aug 2002
    Springfield, MO
    Judo and BJJ
    Yeah it sounds like it is going on the long dark path to mcdojo. If you enjoy stay untill it gets to bad.
    And that's when I figured out that tears couldn't make somebody who was dead alive again. There's another thing to learn about tears, they can't make somebody who doesn't love you any more love you again. It's the same with prayers. I wonder how much of their lives people waste crying and praying to God. If you ask me, the devil makes more sense than God does. I can at least see why people would want him around. It's good to have somebody to blame for the bad stuff they do. Maybe God's there because people get scared of all the bad stuff they do. They figure that God and the Devil are always playing this game of tug-of-war game with them. And they never know which side they're gonna wind up on. I guess that tug-of-war idea explains how sometimes, even when people try to do something good, it still turns out bad.

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    Hmm.. just guessing.. are you in TKF?

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    May 2002
    Submission Wrestling.
    Just go to a full contact place, liek a MT, boxing, BJJ , wrestling or MMA place etc - problem solved.

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    Edited by - Blade Windu on June 18 2003 17:39:14
    "Training = pain." - I said that.

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    Jan 2003
    Melbourne, Australia
    Jeez Blade, people joke around but your answer to everything really is do MT, boxing, BJJ, wrestling and everything will be fine. :)

    Winston -
    If you have moral or ethical problems with the school you are at, it is not the school for you.

    If there is some other reason you are staying (ie. can't afford anything else, can't travel anywhere else, stuck in a contract for the moment, etC) then just distance yourself from the stuff you don't agree with.

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  9. #9

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    Feb 2003
    Weight Training
    "1). My school seems to have a "shady" reputation. I would prefer not to go into any detail just yet."
    ? um......
    do a bunch of "thugs" or leather-clad guys on motorcycles hang with your master guy?

    "Hmm.. just guessing.. are you in TKF?"
    what's TKF? TOTAL KUNG FU!!!!!!

    "If there is some other reason you are staying (ie. can't afford anything else"
    afford? :)

    "3). I might just be paranoid, but lately I've noticed some "cultish" behavior.... "The Grand Master is an amazing human being." and all that horseshit! It is driving me nuts!"
    does he walk in with mist and fog and gongs?
    or is he the bright lights and dance music type of guy?

    seriously some people MAY do it unconsciously when they have been "wowed" by something they have never seen before....

    Just look at stuff on TV, bricks smashed on you and what not.....

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    Sep 2002
    As for shady, yes, we'll need details, but just remember that many boxing gyms that are hardcore competitive don't exactly get the cream of the crop from society. Many times you'll encounter unsavory types. But that's just how it is. It's your choice what environment you're willing to put yourself into.


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