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    Quote Originally Posted by Christmas Spirit
    52-47 is a little to close for me to be comfortable and surprising considering the majority . There wasnt a raise in pay included in the Patriot Act ... so I can see how some Republicans would vote it down .

    But I am glad some of our senators are not dead set on screwing us over at every chance they get .... I hope it continues .
    A lot of the old line Republicans are Libertarians. The Patriot Act was completely outside what they would normally support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christmas Spirit
    52-47 is a little to close for me to be comfortable and surprising considering the majority . There wasnt a raise in pay included in the Patriot Act ... so I can see how some Republicans would vote it down .

    But I am glad some of our senators are not dead set on screwing us over at every chance they get .... I hope it continues .
    i'm not sure if this is what you're saying. but the 52 majority was actually FOR the renewal. but they needed 60 (or 2/3) to win. they didn't get it. technically, it was 8 votes away from being renewed. wonder how much lobbying it might take to get them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaverickZ
    i'm not sure if this is what you're saying. but the 52 majority was actually FOR the renewal. but they needed 60 (or 2/3) to win. they didn't get it. technically, it was 8 votes away from being renewed. wonder how much lobbying it might take to get them.
    Well color me stupid I did misread that ... and now thatI think about it .. I should have fucking known better to began with . I am still kinda loopy from 7 hours under the gun last night ( tattoo gun , not like bang bang I am being shot at ) and the lack of sleep that came with it .
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    Quote Originally Posted by kepetri
    A lot of the old line Republicans are Libertarians. The Patriot Act was completely outside what they would normally support.
    The switch came before the Patriot Act when I dont know but , I noticed that it almost seemed as if the Parties all switched places and started pretending to be each other around the Reagon admin ...
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    They voted not to vote on it yet, but to still discuss it. Its called a filibuster....

    Bush said he wants it permaneant or nothing. They tried to extend it for 3 months so they could have it in effect to fight Terrorists, or at least to fight American dissidents, and Bushco rejected the idea. Forever or nothing....so he wants the powers, or he wants another 9/11 so he can get more powers.

    Funnist thing is Bob Frisk lobbyed hard to pass it, then voted no!! Idiot.....(yes I got that from Rhani Rhodes :qright7: )

    "If anything is gained from this, it should be you both wanting to get better so you can make up for how crappy you are now." KidSpatula about the Sirc vs DTT Gong Sau Event
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christmas Spirit
    Well color me stupid I did misread that ... and now thatI think about it .. I should have fucking known better to began with . I am still kinda loopy from 7 hours under the gun last night ( tattoo gun , not like bang bang I am being shot at ) and the lack of sleep that came with it .
    Damn, 7 hours of ink? That's dedication. I can't do more than 2 hours at a time. It's not the pain, it's just the constant irritation like an itch of that gun. Drives me nuts.
    A lie gets half-way around the world before the truth has time to get it's pants on. - Winston Churchhill

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    I think that was just an Illuminati manipulated Media Spectacle to throw people off. Big brother will still be watchin, big Brother is always watching,

    When your Jerking Off to late-night Internet Porn
    Big brother is watchin

    When your taking a Bath
    Big brother is watchin

    when you Purposely Speed through that Red Light
    Big Brother is watchin

    When you throw whatever the fuk u want away in the Cans Only recycling Bin
    Big Brother is Watchin

    When you working out in your local dojo in the pursuit of personal combat perfection
    Big Brother is watchin

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    I'm not unhappy to see the Patriot Act go. We do need a system in place that allows us to fight terrorism, but it doesn't need to be a kneejerk reaction like the Patriot Act was. ****, the major thing is that we could easily listen in on cell phone calls, and tag and read suspect emails no problem. There is nothing confidential about a cell phone call, any schmuck who wanted to spend the money could get the equipment to do it, and any email hosts such as Yahoo or Hotmail are far from encrypted. It would be nothing for FBI/CIA/NSA or MI of any branch to run a keyword search in several different languages and copy all tagged emails. I'd personally hate to be the guy who has to spend 40+ hours a week reading through emails. "Garbage, garbage, valid intel, bill, garbage, bill bill, valid intel, garbage, downright spam..."

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    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1431415

    just when you think the government might do good... they go and **** it up again.
    i'm guessing this won't be the first 6-month extension. it's odd, i've never actually been scared of the government before... but now i get the chills thinking about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaverickZ
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1431415

    just when you think the government might do good... they go and **** it up again.
    i'm guessing this won't be the first 6-month extension. it's odd, i've never actually been scared of the government before... but now i get the chills thinking about it.
    double plus ungood ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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