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    19th century bare knuckle boxers used plenty of combinations, with skilled footwork and defense (including slipping, etc). The stereotype/myth that they were immobile, slogging bruisers arose because people failed to grasp that the pre-Marquis of Queensberry rule-set (that of the London Prize Ring) mandated its own set of techniques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.thraz View Post
    Interesting post. I've heard of the european fencing influence on filipino arts but not the boxing influence, of course I practice filipino weapons arts so it's no surprise. I question your statement that the europeans didn't use or contribute any footwork to filipino boxing. European fencing relies heavily on footwork and body motion it's hard to believe european boxing dosen't apply any footwork technique.

    Are you saying 52 blocks is an instinctive style which everyone that shares central african genetics displays(potentially)? Or are you saying that the fighters you mentioned have all specifically trained in the 52 blocks style?

    I like the idea of closed quarters stand up self defense techniques, which appears to be what 52 block is all about. The only problem is bringing unavoidable grappling and take downs into the scenario.

    It seems like you've made some great speculations and assumptions in your blog; if you have sources, back it up, if not just be sure to let us know what you're speculating on. No problem with sharing your thoughts, it's when guys try to pass their ideas off as facts that things become more complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR View Post
    19th century bare knuckle boxers used plenty of combinations, with skilled footwork and defense (including slipping, etc). The stereotype/myth that they were immobile, slogging bruisers arose because people failed to grasp that the pre-Marquis of Queensberry rule-set (that of the London Prize Ring) mandated its own set of techniques.



    YouTube - 52 answer.mpeg






    its hard for me to believe that that combo where being throne if peter jackson, a man, who died in 1901
    is credited with inventing the 1-2.


    although I don't know near enough to argue with you about what pre-Marquis of Queensberry technequies were.








    Quote Originally Posted by Reason for the sleazin' View Post
    Interesting post. I've heard of the european fencing influence on filipino arts but not the boxing influence, of course I practice filipino weapons arts so it's no surprise. I question your statement that the europeans didn't use or contribute any footwork to filipino boxing. European fencing relies heavily on footwork and body motion it's hard to believe european boxing dosen't apply any footwork technique.

    well then you should know of this guy.

    Guro Harley Elmore.

    Lacasta / Inosanto Instructor, probably a jdk guy by the look of him.


    YouTube - pananatukan boxing link.mpeg


    thats who I got the info from.




    Quote Originally Posted by Reason for the sleazin' View Post
    Are you saying 52 blocks is an instinctive style which everyone that shares central african genetics displays(potentially)?

    cultural, not genetic.


    Quote Originally Posted by Reason for the sleazin' View Post
    Or are you saying that the fighters you mentioned have all specifically trained in the 52 blocks style?



    no,


    I'm saying that 52, or “rocking” as my daddy called it, is the African-Americans version of “combat- boxing” so to speak .


    Taking the Marquis of Queensberry rules out of Boxing frees us to call upon movements and techniques that have cultural significance to us that the Marquis rules force out .


    The “kings crown” is an empty hand version of an overhand stick block found in many central African
    stick systems and is also found in Kalinda/ Haitian machete.


    “Skull & Crossbones” and “The Bank Robber” are both blocks found in Capoeira and Danmye.


    Even the B.C.R. Form of rocking my father taught me has a Ginga.


    All of these moves are also seen in Uprocking (the precursor to break-dancing) and in break-dancing itself .


    Quote Originally Posted by Reason for the sleazin' View Post
    I like the idea of closed quarters stand up self defense techniques, which appears to be what 52 block is all about. The only problem is bringing unavoidable grappling and take downs into the scenario.



    I agree, I just don't know why it didn't happen on its own, there is a great wrestling tradition in central africa .
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.thraz View Post
    YouTube - 52 answer.mpeg

    its hard for me to believe that that combo where being throne if peter jackson, a man, who died in 1901
    is credited with inventing the 1-2.
    I'm sorry, but that's errant nonsense. Published fight accounts and training manuals produced long before Jackson's era clearly demonstrate that the 1-2 combination was basic to the art of boxing well before he was born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR View Post
    I'm sorry, but that's errant nonsense. Published fight accounts and training manuals produced long before Jackson's era clearly demonstrate that the 1-2 combination was basic to the art of boxing well before he was born.

    would you please direct me to some of those fight accounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.thraz View Post
    would you please direct me to some of those fight accounts.

    not being a jerk.

    just looking for the stuff your talking about.

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    Just updating this monstrous and probably long-forgotten thread to note that, nearly a decade after the brief "heyday" of the 52 Blocks online, I've finally seen the art up close and personal, as taught by an expert.

    I'm currently vacationing in NYC and this afternoon I traveled with my 29 year old son and 17 year old nephew to a Bronx boxing gym and met with Daniel Marks. Daniel contributed some of the most valuable posts in this thread many years ago as "BrotherD". He went on to produce documentaries on the 52s and to spearhead an initiative to use the art to turn young men away from drugs and gang culture. He's a charismatic, articulate and very skilled teacher, moving easily between coaching a kids' boxing class to initiating my son and nephew into the basics of the 52 Blocks.

    I was very impressed with the art itself. The 52s include all the hallmarks of sophisticated body mechanics and fighting tactics that you'd associate with more mainstream methods, but it also has an almost uniquely personal, improvisational flavor. As we established long ago in this thread, it isn't really a codified "style" and it's hard to picture it being taught in a standardized, commercial setting. Daniel takes the history, ethos and culture of the 52s very seriously and he mentioned that he's pulled back from publicizing the art because so many unqualified people jumped on the bandwagon circa 2010.

    Anyway, if you find yourself in NYC and sincerely want to experience the old-school 52 Blocks, I highly recommend Daniel Marks as an instructor.

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    I'd also like to say I cannot recommend Lyte Burly enough. Being able to train with him with person really is the best way to learn. I love MA videos but thats more like "porn" for martial artists haha

    It's a really special art, and I think we're starting to see different "styles" develop, Lyt's style is different than Lord Rahmel/Mr52's another local NYC master and Diallo Frazier who's from the West Coast seems legit and has a slightly different approach to the art.



    Edit wrong thread my bad meant to respond to this:https://www.bullshido.net/forums/sho...=128047&page=2
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