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    Interesting Legal Defense of AR-15 parts

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...rifle-68252403


    Defense lawyers are arguing lower receivers fall outside of the legal definition of a gun. Semantics, love it or hate.


    Please note, everything is a "loophole" when it comes to gun defense.
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    Then what part of the AR is supposed to be serialized? If this flies are we going to start putting that **** on the upper like we do with HK rifles and the SCAR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...rifle-68252403


    Defense lawyers are arguing lower receivers fall outside of the legal definition of a gun. Semantics, love it or hate.


    Please note, everything is a "loophole" when it comes ro gun defense.
    I always thought it was interesting. Obviously I follow the law because they make the rules. But I always thought it was funny that I have to go to an FFL to buy this little hollow piece of aluminum and then I can get all the other parts shipped to my house.

    To me, they should call a working firearm and firearm and leave the pieces alone. If I build one, then hold me responsible for being able to legally own it. That's on me. But until it's built, it's a paper weight.
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    Phrost should do a run on some bullshido lowers that we can order. That would be cool.
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    This is going to create a mess. It is unfortunate, but was going to happen eventually. Bureaucrats gotta bureaucrat. *Government intensifies*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassius View Post
    This is going to create a mess. It is unfortunate, but was going to happen eventually. Bureaucrats gotta bureaucrat. *Government intensifies*
    The **** will this mean for all of the ARs waiting to be sold that only have the serial number on the lower? Is every single manufacturer going to have to eat the cost of recalling all that **** and re-serializing it? Fucking hell.

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    One of my favorite lines from the article:
    "The issue also complicates efforts to address so-called ghost guns, which are largely untraceable because they are assembled from parts."

    Um, so, what are non-ghost guns made of ? chopped liver ?

    Ghost guns, what a load of FUD. I bet at least half of the firearms in circulation in the US are "untraceable".

    I mean, 17 million ARs alone, estimated. And you can bet that alone is a minimum.

    In 2012 Remington had produced 7 million Model 700s alone.
    More than 7.5 million Winchester Model 94s...
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    I mean, really, it is so easy for a convicted felon to buy a firearm on the black market, and they are worried about a dude getting a bare lower ?

    So fucking stupid. They can buy an 80% lower and finish it...and then buy the rest of the parts.

    But that is really a round about way to do it for an ex-con.
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    I mean one of the appeals of the AR platform is I can have one lower(in this example a pistol lower), that i can have many uppers of various caliber, lengths, its legal to go from pistol to rifle and back as long as you do not accidentally SBR yourself during the transition. That at least for me is the appeal.
    I can go rim fire .22 for a day of plinking to full on home defense pdw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    The **** will this mean for all of the ARs waiting to be sold that only have the serial number on the lower? Is every single manufacturer going to have to eat the cost of recalling all that **** and re-serializing it? Fucking hell.
    Right now it means that there is precedent arguing that none of the parts by themselves are firearms. Is this tacit proof that the soul exists as we are all more than the sum of our parts?

    J/K ATF will probably rule autocratically that the act of uniting an upper and a lower is manufacturing a firearm.
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