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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
    And of course the legendary animosity between Mifune and Kimura is an interesting tale.
    Wait what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Wait what?
    Kimura's wife got TB.

    To raise money for Western medical treatments, Kimura took up professional fighting, and also pro-wrestling.

    Mifune thought this was unbecoming and had Kimura kicked out of the Kodokan.

    Kimura was still very popular, and there was some backlash.

    For instance, none of Mifune's katas got included in the official Kodokan curriculum of katas.

    Kimura was eventually reinstated as a coach and professor.

    Mifune, in his final film, is shown delicately trimming hedges with precise shears.

    When Kimura was filmed, he made a point to be filmed trimming his hedges with a chainsaw.

    The Japanese are both subtle and unsubtle at the same time, aren't they....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
    Of course not.

    I tell all my university and grapple-fu students, "don't believe anything I say, unless you can prove it for yourself".

    And, I much prefer people I teach in those environments to disagree with me, and think for themselves, than the contrary.

    Very true, sadly.

    People are always fascinated with flash moves, hot moves, etc., etc.

    A good example in Judo is the phenomenon that people tend to see and watch for the finish.

    Even the names of the throws are usually the names of the finish.

    Meanwhile, all the magic was the posture, grips, footwork, off balance, and entry that resulted in the finish becoming available...
    Yeah, watching a good match with knowledgeable judoka you get a lot of reactions the stuff outside of a big throw.

    It's easier to see stuff from afar since when you're involved in to match personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
    When I do newaza, gi or no gi, I barely grip at all.

    And even when I do standing Judo, my grips are very light.
    Good example of adjusting to particular physical condition.

    Although not gripping a lot is a is a high-level skill.

    And I when to hold on to a grip and when to let go is really important to.

    These sorts of things take years to learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
    Everyone watches Mifune Sensei, and he did give an amazing display of Judo.

    But, watch his ukes just as closely.
    Yeah, back on an old judo Forum there was a guy who actually was mifune uke.

    He basically said the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlun View Post
    Oh so speaking of the Monkey paw thing, I can now see how Gordon Ryan is applying it in this match:

    Damn he is good. Reminds me of my former BJJ teacher. Close to same build, too.
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    Mifune is an example of Kodokan mythology in action. I've seen a photo of him when he was in his prime. He was one buff little MF. Too bad no film of him in action as a much younger man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
    Again, it comes down to how skilled people are within their models.
    I am not what and how much you follow but I feel this is an interesting match up for what your talking about, it was an odd ruleset for sure.
    Interesting tactics by Gordon given that they agreed to the no leg locks rule but the Kani Basami entries where a good way for him to bring to the floor and to get into a control position, didn't quite work out the way he was looking for but given the rule set not a bad tactic?


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    Just to prove I care about the Gi and don't watch just Gordon Ryan matches:



    Also I found this match interesting cause Mahamed Aly is so very good, but that was a pretty one sided match.
    The tempo was given to Nicholas Mergali for almost the whole match and it all seems to come off of the fact that Mahamed Aly did leave that exposure to the Omoplata.
    If I am understanding correctly that exposure was from having that flared elbow. What I can't really tell is if that was bad form on his part or Mergali effectively creating that flare in his elbow.
    Of the single rapier fight between valiant men, having both skill, he that is the best wrestler, or if neither of them can wrestle, the strongest man most commonly kills the other, or leaves him at his mercy.
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