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    Oh Canada... You Human Rights Abuser You

    I found this fascinating, and thought I would share it here. Apparently Canada said some stuff about Saudi human rights stuff, and now the Kingdom of Saud is really upset. This is their full court press in the Arab language media:
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    The whole video was retarded but 2 particular points stood out.

    1.women have no rights in canada
    2. There are secret schools that take indenginous kids and torture them and turn them into christians.

    So secretive that some prick on the other side of the workd knows.

    The claims are about as stupid as wearing the headpiece indoors, its the equivilent to wearing sunglasses indoors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kravbizarre View Post
    The whole video was retarded but 2 particular points stood out.

    1.women have no rights in canada
    They didn't say that about women. They said that indigenous people had no rights. They said that women are the most oppressed in Canada. That is a euphemism in Arabic culture for sexual assault. Now according to Canadian advocacy groups that claim to be using governmental statistics in 2014 553,000 women self reported being sexually assaulted. Also according those statistics only 6% of victims in a given year will self report. So according to what Candadian advocacy groups are calling official statistics, that would mean that roughtly 9,216,667 women were sexually assaulted in 2014, roughly one quarter of Canada's population and half their female population.
    https://www.canadianwomen.org/wp-con...Harassment.pdf
    https://www.sexassault.ca/statistics.htm

    Now, being an educated Westerner I read those statistics and think that this has to be off. That somewhere along the line someone messed up in their statistical analysis, as there simply is no way that half the female population of Canada gets sexually assaulted in a given year. However, since those are the published statistics, and having lived long enough in the Middle-East, I'm fairly certain that the average Middle-Easterner will not be that skeptical about governmentally published statistics from a nation as liberal as Canada. So that one you have to take up with Canada and their release of statistics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kravbizarre View Post
    2. There are secret schools that take indenginous kids and torture them and turn them into christians.

    So secretive that some prick on the other side of the workd knows.

    The claims are about as stupid as wearing the headpiece indoors, its the equivilent to wearing sunglasses indoors.
    The schools are a true story. They were finally closed down in 1998(yup you read that right) and the Prime Minister apologized for it in 2008. Note in the video they say it came to light in 2008, which again is roughly true.
    That is the conclusion reached by the country’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission after six years of intensive research, including 6,750 interviews. The commission published a summary version on Tuesday of what will ultimately be a multivolume report, documenting widespread physical, cultural and sexual abuse at government-sponsored residential schools that Indian, Inuit and other indigenous children were forced to attend.

    The schools, financed by the government but run largely by churches, were in operation for more than a century, from 1883 until the last one closed in 1998.

    The commission documented that at least 3,201 students died while attending the schools, many because of mistreatment or neglect, in the first comprehensive tally of such deaths.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/03/w...ort-finds.html

    At least 6,000 aboriginal children died while in the residential school system, says Justice Murray Sinclair, the chair of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/resi...says-1.3093580

    Stephen Harper stood in the House of Commons on Wednesday to say sorry to former students of native residential schools — in the first formal apology from a Canadian prime minister over the federally financed program.

    "Mr. Speaker, I stand before you today to offer an apology to former students of Indian residential schools," Harper said in Ottawa, surrounded by a small group of aboriginal leaders and former students, some of whom wept as he spoke.

    "The treatment of children in Indian residential schools is a sad chapter in our history.

    "Today, we recognize that this policy of assimilation was wrong, has caused great harm, and has no place in our country," he said to applause.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/pm-cit...hools-1.699389
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    The 553,000 statistic seems to be the real deal, and it seems to be pretty consistent from year to year in Canada that way:
    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/.../tbl04-eng.htm

    That puts Canada pretty high up there in the rankings for criminal sexual assault. That is six times more assaults in Canada that year than in the US(86,000 in total). That is pretty crazy man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
    The 553,000 statistic seems to be the real deal, and it seems to be pretty consistent from year to year in Canada that way:
    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/.../tbl04-eng.htm

    That puts Canada pretty high up there in the rankings for criminal sexual assault. That is six times more assaults in Canada that year than in the US(86,000 in total). That is pretty crazy man.
    I think Canada has an above average reporting rate and a lower threshold for what they consider to be sexual assault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    I think Canada has an above average reporting rate and a lower threshold for what they consider to be sexual assault.
    Reporting rates are at best, a best guess approximation, so ultimately we can only go with the reported assaults. If you can find hard data on what the threshold is, that could be interesting. However, it doesn't entirely invalidate the Saudi video. What does invalidate it is the general whataboutism and the international temper tantrum the kingdom had thrown since one fairly innocuous tweet went off.

    Dear god I hope the Kingdom of Saud doesn't do anything to irk Trump, if they reacted this way to this tweet:
    Very alarmed to learn that Samar Badawi, Raif Badawi’s sister, has been imprisoned in Saudi Arabia. Canada stands together with the Badawi family in this difficult time, and we continue to strongly call for the release of both Raif and Samar Badawi.
    https://twitter.com/cafreeland/statu...30172624515072

    Can you imagine how they would react to one of Trump's twitter storms?
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    In Italy, that first trial for rape was in 1976.
    The defense attorney used "you know women say no but they actually mean yes" as an actual defense (it was a gang rape).

    In a interview that I saw on TV many years later the attorney said that, given Italian culture of the time, he thought it was a reasonable defense. (though he lost).

    This shows that different cultures can have very different perception of rape, sexual assault, and the incidence of such.

    The quantity of denounced rapes in Italy increased a lot, but it's difficult to know how much is caused by women denouncing more and how much rapes actually increased.

    Plus many Arab immigrants here scorn the way western women behave.

    So I think that many Arabs seriously overestimate the quantity of rapes that happen in the West relative to what happens in their countries, plus sexual assault might just mean guy who gropes a woman in a bus, at which point Canadian statistics might be realistic.

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    Well ****.................
    There is levels of retardation here that i cannot fathom. Like where do i start? Schools getting shut down in 08 which is only ten years ago, no means yes and differences in rape? Like wtf, rape is rape. There are somethings that should be universal, like if i flip the bird at any person from any country they will know im telling them to go **** themself. Wow just fucking wow.

    Saudi arabia can still go **** themselves though, they still violate human rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
    The 553,000 statistic seems to be the real deal, and it seems to be pretty consistent from year to year in Canada that way:
    https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/.../tbl04-eng.htm

    That puts Canada pretty high up there in the rankings for criminal sexual assault. That is six times more assaults in Canada that year than in the US(86,000 in total). That is pretty crazy man.
    Jesus Christ. I guess Canada forgot to create a safe space for women.

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    Found this defining sexual assault in Canada. It's a pretty broad definition.

    The residential school issue is real, and it's a blight on our nation that we are still recovering from.

    Having said all that, KSA can eat a bag of dicks as far as the average Canadian is concerned. Trudeau is getting pretty wide-spread support on this.

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