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    Intense knee pain from mat work, risks to training future?

    Hey Bullies, quick one. Don't need any medical advice, interested in sharing experiences.

    So I have this knee cap issue that's bothering me, so much to the point that I think I need to see a specialist. It's a weird thing that's gotten worse over time, and I think it's an occupational injury forming but I'm curious if other grapplers, particularly Bjj people experience any sort of degenerative knee issues from all the time spent stressing out that particular joint.

    Most of the time on my knees like pulling weeds and housework, no problem. Suddenly yesterday I went on my knees for a minute, stood up, and my knee just went wild with pain and locked up. Never experienced this in my life, but it felt vaguely similar to some Bjj related impacts years ago. I put the two together and realized I might have a long term tissue injury that's been getting worse over time. I'm almost positive that when I get imagery done it'll show that. My real question is how, if this is inevitable, my training could be impacted.

    Knowing from past experience that having martial arts related talks with my doc are not productive, what are the actual risks of continuing to practice Bjj, if I have a progressing injury inside my knee? I'm dreading training right now because some simple rolling might leave me in agony.

    Anybody here have knee surgery and still roll? I know pro athletes have done it...I'm not that but what's the reality? Looking for some positive news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBeaj View Post
    Hey Bullies, quick one. Don't need any medical advice, interested in sharing experiences.

    So I have this knee cap issue that's bothering me, so much to the point that I think I need to see a specialist. It's a weird thing that's gotten worse over time, and I think it's an occupational injury forming but I'm curious if other grapplers, particularly Bjj people experience any sort of degenerative knee issues from all the time spent stressing out that particular joint.

    Most of the time on my knees like pulling weeds and housework, no problem. Suddenly yesterday I went on my knees for a minute, stood up, and my knee just went wild with pain and locked up. Never experienced this in my life, but it felt vaguely similar to some Bjj related impacts years ago. I put the two together and realized I might have a long term tissue injury that's been getting worse over time. I'm almost positive that when I get imagery done it'll show that. My real question is how, if this is inevitable, my training could be impacted.

    Knowing from past experience that having martial arts related talks with my doc are not productive, what are the actual risks of continuing to practice Bjj, if I have a progressing injury inside my knee? I'm dreading training right now because some simple rolling might leave me in agony.

    Anybody here have knee surgery and still roll? I know pro athletes have done it...I'm not that but what's the reality? Looking for some positive news.
    You can totally still roll after knee surgery, I do, and I know know lots of people who do. You may have to adapt your game a bit if you don't recover full flexibility in your knee post surgery and physio(which is a possibility). However, you can totally do it. For me, my weak side became my strong side in stand up(to protect the injured knee and deal with some flexibility issues) and I make sure to work with training partners who don't think that they are trying to take gold at the Mundials when rolling. That does mean that there are people in my club at this point who I simply refuse to work with.

    I know of people who are still rolling 30 years after having knee surgery. Totally possible to continue long term.
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    Thanks, that's reassuring. The good news is I don't have much of a game yet to have to change.

    I'm also going to ask my MD about nerve damage. I'm assuming they can look for that as well. The pain is white hot, so maybe I've damaged a nerve somehow from landing on my knees wrong or just grinding them. The issue started in training as a sort of "oh that didn't feel right", progressed to a sharp twinge that would happen maybe once a month, and then yesterday it literally took me to the ground and I saw stars.

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    I suppose it depends on your age and what type of surgery you're having done. I've had a couple of surgeries over the years- meniscus surgery, shattered my nose twice and deviated septum twice, and most recently, ACL reconstruction. Pros are made up of the same stuff you are, and the rehab isn't really something that takes up a significant portion of your day either...


    In short, its not really that big of a deal. Make sure you get a surgeon that knows what hes doing- one that's accredited and does a significant number of surgeries a year. After the surgery is done, the next is rehab which'll be mostly on you.

    First you have to figure out whats causing the pain and what the damage may or may not be. Once that's done you'll discuss ways to fix it, and the repercussions of not. If its locking, I'd recommend surgery- that's just not productive.


    My one coach has had 4 knee surgeries and an ACL replacement. Shits just not that big a deal nowadays. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
    You can totally still roll after knee surgery, I do, and I know know lots of people who do. You may have to adapt your game a bit if you don't recover full flexibility in your knee post surgery and physio(which is a possibility). However, you can totally do it. For me, my weak side became my strong side in stand up(to protect the injured knee and deal with some flexibility issues) and I make sure to work with training partners who don't think that they are trying to take gold at the Mundials when rolling. That does mean that there are people in my club at this point who I simply refuse to work with. I know of people who are still rolling 30 years after having knee surgery. Totally possible to continue long term.
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    Have you considered knee pads? Like the ones wrestlers use, it's a sleeve with a little extra material over the knee. I use one of those over the knee that I had surgery on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBeaj View Post
    Anybody here have knee surgery and still roll? I know pro athletes have done it...I'm not that but what's the reality? Looking for some positive news.
    Two meniscus surgeries and one mcl blown,mcl doesnt need surgery to heal generally.... i just rubbed some dirt on it.

    As far as being a pro athlete? I make more money than they do (non-1% in mma and all of bjj)or i would compete full time. The difference between normal people and pros isnt night and day. You can do anything they can...... just not quite as good. For instance: They can run a 4.2 40 yard dash. You can also go 40 yards in a dashing like motion. They can win the ADCC Championship after knee surgery. You can get your purple belt someday and maybe not always lose to skilled women..... which Keenan Cornelius had a problem with when he first moved to Lloyd Irvin's to train full time as a blue belt, per Keenan. I am being a bit dramatic but my point is its just a matter of scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel_tke View Post
    Have you considered knee pads? Like the ones wrestlers use, it's a sleeve with a little extra material over the knee. I use one of those over the knee that I had surgery on.
    Asics Gel wrestling pads. If I'm doing a bunch of takedowns I put mine on.

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    My knees do lots of weird things... but I don't really want to know what exactly are they about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel_tke View Post
    Have you considered knee pads? Like the ones wrestlers use, it's a sleeve with a little extra material over the knee. I use one of those over the knee that I had surgery on.
    Not yet but I don't know if it would be effective. Kneeling on a soft mat is enough to trigger the pain. It seems random but increasingly sensitive, and any pressure at all on the knee (at certain moments) feels like a sudden hot poker getting jabbed in.

    I have set up a visit with my orthopedist so if they do the imaging and tell me it's going to need cutting into, well...thanks for the encouragement. This is one of those scary, middle life things that I've dreaded for years, but it's nice to hear actual martial artists assessing that it's not a game-ender.

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