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    "Golden Knights" a "Zen do kai" split-off (South Australia)

    Hi everyone, (Hoping i posted in the right spot here)

    I've heard from several sources about a free self defense class being run by the one of our state universities (Adelaide University). I didn't attend any of these classes but they were brought up on the regular. No red flags and I actually thought it was a good thing to encourage when it's free especially.

    I've now heard from my partner (still in university) that she was approached and encouraged to do it. Having her bull**** radar on full she inquired about what styles or system they are teaching people. The guy said it's instructed by a teacher from the "Golden Knights" (Red flag 1) which is a martial arts group that split off from "Zen Do Kai" (Red flag 2). Having already been convinced about Zen Do Kai (Bob Jones, AUS/NZ) having Mcdojo/Bullshido status i'm now suspicious they are using the free self defense classes to basically recruit into one of their many "Golden Knight" branches across south Australia.

    I'm planning to attend both the self defense class and visit a branch near me (supposedly does kendo stuff as well from the pictured I saw) to give a proper and accurate report on what's going on and so I can confirm Mcdojo/Bullshido status. Is there a specific way to do this to fit a standard for accurate reporting of quality. The gradings I saw online (youtube) did not impress. Poor use of traditional karate blocks and stances then absolute overacting/ excessive movements for the "self defense" section of the grading.

    My biggest concern is the damage these people could potentially be doing teaching bullshido to people (Apparently most of the staff have done the classes). Overconfidence with unrealistic garbage in a life/death scenario can get you killed or worse.

    Cheers,

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    These guys and gals?
    http://www.goldenknightskarate.com/instructors/ cause all I see is normal hohum stripmall asian themed adult daycare. But you aren't even talking about them but someone who broke off from them? Am I missing the name of the instructor or group?
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    That's the american bunch.

    Can't link you the Australian bunch yet but type in golden knights south Australia and you'll get it. You'll also get the gradings i talked about if you searched youtube.

    Apparently the "golden knights" were a split off from the bob jones zen do kai here in Australia.

    Golden knights apparently helps run/runs the self defense class at the University.

    I should have been a bit more clear in my first post. On a side note do we just make articles on these groups here or is there a way to discourage people from falling into the trap of Mcdojos.

    I'm a music teacher and parents/ people in general just don't know when they have no prior background on things. I get drum students that can't hold the sticks are several years with a previous teacher. Or piano students never taught a scale. So obviously the same stuff happens with martial arts.
    Last edited by kazkar; 3/03/2018 3:03am at . Reason: typos and forgot info

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    You should be able to post links after making a few posts.Try not to necro (resurrect) threads older than a year or two unless you really have a question or some insight. Each forum has its own rules. The MABS forum (the one you are in) is strongly moderated so check this list https://www.bullshido.net/forums/forum.php and hit Gen BS or YMAS if you want to post with less pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    These guys and gals?
    http://www.goldenknightskarate.com/instructors/ cause all I see is normal hohum stripmall asian themed adult daycare. But you aren't even talking about them but someone who broke off from them?
    It's the other way around. ZDK is a Bullshido deep cut (pre 2010). Apparently there have been generational effects from ZDK and it is now infesting academia.

    FYI, I doubt it's really "free" as in beer, according to the history.
    Last edited by W. Rabbit; 3/04/2018 2:17am at .

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    https://goldenknights.com.au/programs-and-services/

    Think this is the guys in question.

    To anyone curious about bob jones, hes like australia’s equivilent of ed parker to lesser degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kravbizarre View Post
    https://goldenknights.com.au/programs-and-services/

    Think this is the guys in question.

    To anyone curious about bob jones, hes like australia’s equivilent of ed parker to lesser degree.
    I guess you meant https://goldenknights.com.au/about/ ?

    Anyways, it seems suspicious to say the least:

    He [i.e. Gary MacRae, founding master of the Golden Knights] began his karate training in 1979 under the instruction of Ed Skipter a talented instructor of Bob Jones’s style of karate, Zen Do Kai. [...] He opened his first karate school in Aldgate in March, 1981, as a Brown Belt and achieved his black belt the following month on ANZAC Day. [...] Through the early ’80s with the help of his growing band of black belts, he established numerous other schools in and around Adelaide and also interstate. Much of his personal training was done under Zen Do Kai’s founding master Bob Jones.
    This text basically establishes that he had no contact with Karate at all until 1979, started his own school in two years time and in five years time has had several black belts trained that opened their own schools.

    I mean, really? A guy who never did martial arts before? If I would have pushed for it, I could have made my black belt in Judo in 4,5 years, but with rather 6 trainings a week, not 4 (as the text says for this guy). I did do kid's classes after two years as well as a co-instructor, but opening your own school is a completely different game.

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    Knights and Japanese stuff.

    Yeah. Totally fit together.

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