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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    agreed

    Lie

    True, but irrelevant when discussing real political power. You were trying to bullshit your way into pretending that the NRA is just a powerless underdog, weren't you?
    You sly dog... ;)
    I mean if you weren't I am sorry, but it really looked like you were trying to serve me a plate of actual bullshit in point 2.a. and 2.b. .

    WTF you talking about?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment_(1996)

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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    3. Dickey doesn't prevent study, it prevents advocacy; Obama proved this after Sandy Hook.
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    Ok we are on the same page then, I think. The Dickey amendment was a NRA sponsored Rider that "did not preclude the CDC from doing research on gun safety, just that it defined the lines between the research of gun safety related incidents and the perceived advocation for control of those guns".

    So in other words there can be no data collection or analysis by the CDC using funds for the CDC where the end result would be "gun control" or promotion of gun control.

    How does OBUMMER trying to take your guns prove anything remotely related to Sandy Hook?
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    Ok we are on the same page then, I think. The Dickey amendment was a NRA sponsored Rider that "did not preclude the CDC from doing research on gun safety, just that it defined the lines between the research of gun safety related incidents and the perceived advocation for control of those guns".

    So in other words there can be no data collection or analysis by the CDC using funds for the CDC where the end result would be "gun control" or promotion of gun control.

    How does OBUMMER trying to take your guns prove anything remotely related to Sandy Hook?
    His direction for the CDC studies to take place was a direct result of Sandy Hook. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung.../#3bf4a3523120

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Don't drink and write, Michael...
    Drinking and writing go hand in hand. Ask any writer, and examine history's writers. Most were lushes of extraordinary caliber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake View Post
    Why? It worked with Bowling for Columbine. Yes, I liked the movie until I realized, thanks to Bullshido, all the lies and misdirection he used in the movie. This movie is why I began my distrust with all media and vet anything I can.
    Which lies and misdirection, specifically?

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    Quote Originally Posted by submessenger View Post
    His direction for the CDC studies to take place was a direct result of Sandy Hook. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung.../#3bf4a3523120
    Which is silly. The Law clearly states No CDC funds can be used for research which could lead to gun control. So ... what's your point again? Obama felt like he had to try to do something, even if it was an idiotic and clearly outlawed act.
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    the primary right of all people to be free from gun violence
    Since when do "all people" have this right?

    Armed bandits don't have this right last I checked.. they have the right to get lead in their ass.

    We could make a pretty big list of exceptions.

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    I was exposed to Michael Moore early by an openly socialist teacher at a summer program for nerds in high school. I believe Roger and Me was the first one I watched. I liked him a lot until I enlisted and realized I had lived in a pretty one dimensional world most of my life. Michael Moore does not like guns, which is fine. Michael Moore is also an opportunistic jackass, which is not fine. I remember his nonsense posts after the Orlando Nightclub Mass Killing. Something 5.56 being against the Hague Accords for exploding or something. As opposed to reality, where violent fragmentation is one of the major bullet design "families." And as far as I know, is the only family of bullet design currenty used for every main battle rifle for every military in the entire world. Other countries do what we do for non-uniform conflict and relax rules on expanding hollow points, but that is fairly limited in scope.

    The gun control friendly America he's describing is unlikely to exist anytime soon, but at least he's calling for a new amendment to the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Moore
    PROPOSED 28th AMENDMENT TO THE US CONSTITUTION
    A well regulated State National Guard, being helpful to the safety and security of a State in times of need, along with the strictly regulated right of the people to keep and bear a limited number of non-automatic Arms for sport and hunting, with respect to the primary right of all people to be free from gun violence, this shall not be infringed.
    Trolltastic.

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