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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    Lol fucking clowns. Rob Kahn would destroy him in my opinion but I don't know Rob that we'll so I don't want to speak for him. Robs black belts would destroy him as well.

    I come from a Royce and Relson lineage myself. I would destroy that Lauren chick without getting sweaty I would bet.
    We can have our opinions and they can differ, and thats ok. But it really isnt about that. This thread questions the legitimacy of a very accomplished and legitimate grappler, regardless of who can beat whom. I just want to correct the record regarding that.

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    And who are you?

    I train Indian clubs and use ones that a lot of people couldn't swing without cracking their skulls open, but that doesn't mean I'm a good grappler (I'm not).
    The clubs are an ancient strength building tool far superior to modern weightlifting or crossfit kind of training. I did not mean they make someone better at grappling, just very strong. Larens grappling comes from training with one of the greatest wrestlers ever, he was the top student of Carl Gotch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboygrappler View Post
    What didnt pass the smell test to me was the pummeling drill video, it is completely wrong to teach it that way on any level.
    In YOUR opinion. There are different variations of every technique. Thinking that everyone should do it YOUR way is closed minded an ignorant. You will never learn anything new that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Farmboygrappler View Post
    Furthermore, in 2006 he was claiming that he used to compete and grapple "back in the day", and was criticising others techniques while refusing to show his own because he was "disgusted with the grappling scene", then when called out by Rob Kahn, he tucked and disappeared for a while until he surfaced as a wrestling coach in Texas.
    A lot of people dont like modern competition formats, again there was never any tucking from a lighter less experienced opponent. It was an online callout and not in real life anyway.

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    What's your relationship to the man? I ask because many times we've seen someone join who's first and only post is to vehemently defend someone, and its actually that person pretending to be a neutral third party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Permalost View Post
    What's your relationship to the man? I ask because many times we've seen someone join who's first and only post is to vehemently defend someone, and its actually that person pretending to be a neutral third party.
    I am not Laren Grey, and he does not know or approve about anything I say, I speak only for myself. He has influenced me in many ways through his writing and by his example. I think he is an amazing person and extremely intelligent and capable in many areas. He has affected my thinking and made me realize that I was stuck in an "either or" loop of false equivalents and Aristotelian logic (which is a common problem in the western world). If you knew how many things he is working on at any time you would realize that he doesnt have the time or energy to post here as well. He has a very busy life and multiple careers and social media platforms. He doesnt do any forums as far as I know and Ive been following him on facebook, instagram and goodreads for a while now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisregardBiases View Post
    We can have our opinions and they can differ, and thats ok. But it really isnt about that. This thread questions the legitimacy of a very accomplished and legitimate grappler, regardless of who can beat whom. I just want to correct the record regarding that.
    maybe there is a difference of opinion when it comes to "very accomplished grappler" and "World Class". What are these accomplishments?
    The clubs are an ancient strength building tool far superior to modern weightlifting or crossfit kind of training.
    evidence please...that is some fan boy hype.
    I did not mean they make someone better at grappling, just very strong.
    Lifting and moving weight makes you strong.
    Larens grappling comes from training with one of the greatest wrestlers ever, he was the top student of Carl Gotch.
    Gotch? Best Ever? ...
    *shrugs*
    Obviously an opinion which is heavily subjective.
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    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Slamming the man in the bottom position from time to time keeps everybody on their toes and discourages butt scooting stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisregardBiases View Post
    We can have our opinions and they can differ, and thats ok. But it really isnt about that. This thread questions the legitimacy of a very accomplished and legitimate grappler, regardless of who can beat whom. I just want to correct the record regarding that.



    The clubs are an ancient strength building tool far superior to modern weightlifting or crossfit kind of training. I did not mean they make someone better at grappling, just very strong. Larens grappling comes from training with one of the greatest wrestlers ever, he was the top student of Carl Gotch.
    Carl Gotch had never wrestled at a high level and never won anything of merit. Only an idiot would think he has. That is not an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    Carl Gotch had never wrestled at a high level and never won anything of merit. Only an idiot would think he has. That is not an opinion.
    Gotch was Catch Wrestling right? So we are looking for "World Class" titles and comps and "very accomplished" in Catch or in what dude in question is teaching now ... which High School or Greco or what?
    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WFMurphyPhD View Post
    Slamming the man in the bottom position from time to time keeps everybody on their toes and discourages butt scooting stupidity.

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    As a long time Indian club user (maybe a decade), I don't believe it to be superior in strength development over conventional weights. I just enjoy it more. I actually think I'd be objectively stronger if I maintained a powerlifting routine instead.

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    google says it is Karl ...
    Rayce PM'ed this groundbreaking information I just verified it.
    I am assuming he must be a True Superfan™.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WFMurphyPhD View Post
    Slamming the man in the bottom position from time to time keeps everybody on their toes and discourages butt scooting stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisregardBiases View Post
    I know Laren personally and this thread is extremely ignorant and full of falsehood. I dont know where to start but I am here to set the record straight. Where to begin? theres so much nonsense already. I suppose I shall start by telling you what I do know. Laren has been a world class grappler for a long time. He was personally taught by the late great Carl Gotch, and furthermore is one of only two Americans who was able to survive Gotch's extremely rigorous conditioning program. He is also a heavyweight at 230 lbs and 6'4" and is worked with Check Kongo and many other pro fighters and grapplers so he is very respected in those circles. He is extremely strong and highly conditioned. He swings massive wooden clubs overhead like theyre nothing. That right there clears everything up in my opinion, but theres so much more to say. You have the techical knowledge of Carl Gotch, combined with extreme endurance and conditioning. There was no ducking from Rob Kahn, that is simply a falsehood. I cant speak for Laren but in my opinion he would smash Kahn who is a smaller grappler and who got his training from Royce Gracie who is nowhere near Gotch's level. And like somebody said Laren is much more than just a grappling great. Hes a yogi, philosopher, poet, author and actor and this exposure and success brings out the haters in droves and Im refering to the thread starter specificaly here. Ive spoken my peace, namaste and good will to all.
    Laren Grey is world class? Ok... When was he on the US National team? What did he place at nationals or even worlds? If he didn't compete on an international level, then he really isn't world class.

    As far as a wrestler destroying a BJJ black belt, you are delusional. Mark Schultz(truly a world class wrestler) tried it with Pedro Sauer and Rickson Gracie, it didn't go well for him, so he took up BJJ.

    Understand that there are high level wrestlers and grapplers on this forum are able to make fairly objective evaluations of skill from video evidence. I appreciate that you may have studied under him, but that in and of itself doesn't make him good. I appreciate he may be strong, however strength is only an asset to the degree that you have skill to back it up.
    Don't rely on theory if your life is at stake.

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