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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    Most lowers are still made out of aluminum. There are some polymer and magnesium lowers, but those generally suck and break more easily.
    You can get a nice steel lower if you want a heavy rifle for shooting from a rest. :3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wounded Ronin View Post
    You can get a nice steel lower if you want a heavy rifle for shooting from a rest. :3
    I mean, I guess. I'm not sure I would ever want to though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wounded Ronin View Post
    So is that what they meant by "self cleaning"?

    Basically, "somewhat resistant to debris but not so much to buildup, so clean it at regular intervals or you'll be sorry"?
    Pretty much. But for some reason people get it in their heads that a battle rifle should be able to go its entire service life without being cleaned and still function reliably. Anything less is total ****. An AR15 should be cleaned every thousand rounds or so. Some seem to be fine going much longer, but a gun that can fire "only" a thousand rounds without being cleaned is still good for nearly 5x the average combat load carried into battle. And it's not like they need to be detail stripped and cleaned. Just wipe down the damn bcg and make sure carbon fouling isn't obstructing the bolt, barrel, and chamber. And if you know you might have to go extended periods without cleaning, just dunk the whole BCG in lube and run it super wet.

    That said, I'm still totally building a dedicated suppressed SBR AR15 using a superlative arms piston system. Don't ask why. I just need to. For science!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    But easy to take-down and clean. Look at the number of steps involved between the two...
    I own both. I wouldn't say there is a large difference in the skill required to take apart and clean them, beyond the foregrip being too tight and a pain in the ass to remove on my Arsenal SLR104. And you don't really ever need to clean the gas system on an AR (unless you're shooting .22lr through it with an adapter), so there's no point in taking it down that far.

    They are both great firearms, and modern versions are even better. You guys who are obsessed with the idea of AK reliability should check out the Galil ACE. It is basically an AK with an actual sealed action. Too bad they removed all the lefty friendly features of the AK pattern when they designed it. Seems like an expensive pain in the ass for a southpaw like me to shoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassius View Post
    Pretty much. But for some reason people get it in their heads that a battle rifle should be able to go its entire service life without being cleaned and still function reliably. Anything less is total ****. An AR15 should be cleaned every thousand rounds or so. Some seem to be fine going much longer, but a gun that can fire "only" a thousand rounds without being cleaned is still good for nearly 5x the average combat load carried into battle. And it's not like they need to be detail stripped and cleaned. Just wipe down the damn bcg and make sure carbon fouling isn't obstructing the bolt, barrel, and chamber. And if you know you might have to go extended periods without cleaning, just dunk the whole BCG in lube and run it super wet.

    That said, I'm still totally building a dedicated suppressed SBR AR15 using a superlative arms piston system. Don't ask why. I just need to. For science!
    Yeah, that's what one instructor told me when I brought up the legendary AR unreliability topic. He basically said that in an extreme situation you can relubricate the BCG and you should be good to go for a little while longer.

    Of course, I wonder if one factor in the seeming good reliability of ARs today is how in many cases they're being operated in desert environments instead of jungle environments. In the past I've had to take care of some machinery in a jungle environment and it's amazing how things rust out there. A tiny scratch in the paint or finish and you start to get rusting and bulging under the paint. Moss starts growing on cars within a matter of months unless you scrub it off.

    In the desert, you can leave a gun in the safe for years and not touch it, and it won't rust.

    By the way, I have technically had more stoppages on my AK than my AR, although both are very clean and in good condition. I have had 0 stoppages on my AR, and 1 on my AK, which I believe was the fault of the magazine. In any case, in my experience with well maintained weapons and not operating them in extreme environments, both seem nearly infallible.
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    I strip my ARs down to the bolt when I clean them. I don't usually take the extractor apart. I inspect all of the parts of the BCG and clean it pretty well. Check all the rings and stuff like that. I usually don't take the FCG apart unless it is starting to feel gritty or it looks real dirty. Sometimes I may take one apart to tinker with it, that's just for the fun of it. I took off the Bolt catch of one the other day because it wasn't contacting the bolt very well when the charging handle was pulled back and the catch engaged. I ended up grinding a little off the bottom and it works better now. But it was working fine before. I've built a bunch and mostly just like building them with different setups for the fun of it. I've built a few for friends to save them money.

    The thing I like about an AR is that it wants to work. A lot of rifles and pistols have tolerances that are so tight that something being off just a little will cause all kinds of problems. But the AR wants to cycle. It will still work very well even when it has things not in optimal condition.
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