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8/07/2017 11:16am, #11
1 This sort of thing can be very effective. You can use the gi to set up the angles and action reaction to get the penetration. It's a lot easier than doing normal Judo throws.
The brown belt I try to train (BJJ) with is very effective (in gi) at setting this stuff up. In the three matches I watched (on video) from the tournament this weekend, that's what he did.Falling for Judo since 1980
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8/07/2017 11:26am, #12
1 Falling for Judo since 1980
"You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS
"The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake
"Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl
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8/07/2017 11:34am, #13
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Absolutely. I'm a firm believer. My friend and I went to a completion and he actually took gold in both divisions. His presence on his feet was vastly superior to his opponents. Mainly because of his Kung fu knowledge. That balance was always there.
Thanks for the advice.
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8/07/2017 11:35am, #14
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8/07/2017 11:50am, #15
1 Indeed.
This is a magnificently vast field of study. Take downs are hard and not rewarded very well in bjj.
If you want to Win bjj matches I wouldn't even say that they are absolutely needed. If you have a sick guard and a good guard pull you can be a world champ.
If you want to be a complete martial artist and train for mma,self-defense and just for self satisfaction than I think it is a great endeavor to take on.
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8/07/2017 12:28pm, #16
1 Yamashita is an excellent heavy weight Judoka, and he has written some good books, and produced some free clinics that are available on the Tube.
Also, there are many excellent wrestling resources specifically for heavy weight wrestlers distributed by Championship Videos,
also, Bob Anderson's series may be of interest to you.
I would also add that hand fighting benefits Judoka and Wrestlers alike, and applies to all weight class situations.
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8/07/2017 12:29pm, #17
2 Falling for Judo since 1980
"You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS
"The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake
"Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl
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8/07/2017 2:21pm, #18
1 This is the key in my opinion. Grip fight for proper position. If I execute a technique from the proper position i will likely successfully complete it or they will have to move into an already known space to block the technique... which will setup my next technique and so on.
How to throw made easy.
Step 1. Secure grips and position
Step 2. Have momentum built into throw.
I.e. Have them yanked forward/pushed back, stepping where they should for the takedown.
Step 3. Throw
Ronda Rousey said one time,"If it's smooth ,it's Judo. If you force it, it's wrestling."
I don't agree with that in the sense that wrestling is just brut force but I do believe that there is something to being loose and feeling the momentum of the situation and going with it in the proper direction.
Use your finesse during sparring and build your muscles during your exercise.
Watch Ben Askren wrestling and Ronda doing Judo. They win by choosing the right techniques during the proper positioning and have the proper kazushi/momentum built.
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8/07/2017 5:07pm, #19
1 If you are working on Judo rank so you can compete in a high enough division to be able to use subs, at least learn the correct romaji... KUZUSHI.
Yeah, people at BJJ ask me to teach them a takedown, and I start with grip and posture. I guess it's my way of not teaching Judo...some of them seem to get it, though.
It takes quite a bit of time and drilling, and practice time is limited.
When all your opponent has to do is pull guard, half guard, or into DLR (really common out here according to my coach), finessing take-downs takes a bit of a back seat. It's almost as if you have to learn the ground stuff and then go back to takedowns.
Similarly, if you spend most of your time on the ground learning Judo, you go to compete and get out-gripped and thrown, and probably lose.Falling for Judo since 1980
"You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS
"The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake
"Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl
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8/07/2017 6:32pm, #20
Adding in ashi waza, movement, and gripping really takes a toll on one's training time.
I think in a "normal" (non-elite) BJJ environment, a very few simple flows would probably be sufficient. Those could be built on as a person progresses and personalized to fit/mold with the preferred ground strategy of the student.
Just be glad nobody is trying to be competitive at even moderate level judo comps, that gets exponentially more complex the higher you go. It's still made up of simple building blocks, though.Falling for Judo since 1980
"You are wrong. Why? Because you move like a pregnant yak and talk like a spazzing 'I train UFC' noob." -DCS
"The best part of getting you worked up is your backpack full of irony and lies." -It Is Fake
"Banning BKR is like kicking a Quokka. It's foolishness of the first order." - Raycetpfl
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