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    how to fight a mcdojo takeover?

    i hope this is the right format for this post;

    a member of a martial arts school i'm involved with wants to reduce the complexity of the curriculum and turn it into a mcdojo, focusing on conditioning and repetitious exercise, whereas the classes i run are focused on partner work and technique practice. i personally work with students to get them to a point of competence whereas the other instructor wants to manage a franchise. black belts in the club are repelled by this change and are leaving. students are leaving as a result.

    what would you do to improve the problem? quitting is not really an option that i will consider. thanks for your input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shostakovitch View Post
    i hope this is the right format for this post;

    a member of a martial arts school i'm involved with wants to reduce the complexity of the curriculum and turn it into a mcdojo, focusing on conditioning and repetitious exercise, whereas the classes i run are focused on partner work and technique practice. i personally work with students to get them to a point of competence whereas the other instructor wants to manage a franchise. black belts in the club are repelled by this change and are leaving. students are leaving as a result.

    what would you do to improve the problem? quitting is not really an option that i will consider. thanks for your input.
    What do you teach and how do you teach it?
    What do the typical classes now involve?

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    let's say it's a standup striking art. i personally teach technique drills with a partner, working up to sparring.

    classes can involve conditioning, forms practice or the format i previously mentioned.

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    You may want to be a bit more specific. Sometimes the guy who wants more fundamentals and conditioning is actually the one steering a dojo away from mcdojohood.

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    understood. let me specify; the teaching method i'm describing is analogous to repetitious solo practice. like air punches or tae bo.

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    MABS ---------> YMAS . Wrong forum and welcome to Bullshido. If you wish to start a MABS thread, we will need specifics and names.
    If you want good solid advice without bullshit I will do my best to help moderate this thread in that direction.
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    Quote Originally Posted by shostakovitch View Post
    i hope this is the right format for this post;

    a member of a martial arts school i'm involved with wants to reduce the complexity of the curriculum and turn it into a mcdojo, focusing on conditioning and repetitious exercise, whereas the classes i run are focused on partner work and technique practice. i personally work with students to get them to a point of competence whereas the other instructor wants to manage a franchise. black belts in the club are repelled by this change and are leaving. students are leaving as a result.

    what would you do to improve the problem? quitting is not really an option that i will consider. thanks for your input.
    I would quit and go to a school that spars and competes.
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    quitting and going to another school is something that will only benefit me, i spend my time in martial arts training others. at this time i'm unwilling to walk away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shostakovitch View Post
    understood. let me specify; the teaching method i'm describing is analogous to repetitious solo practice. like air punches or tae bo.
    So aerobic kickboxing...

    IMO this is mcdojo stuff.

    but i'm not really big on even shadow boxing.

    What if you held pads for them instead and practised combos and techniques that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shostakovitch View Post
    quitting and going to another school is something that will only benefit me, i spend my time in martial arts training others. at this time i'm unwilling to walk away.
    Unless you are in a Management or Ownership position all you can really do is apply gentle pressure and communicate clearly with your students and the owner/management.

    Your leadership role is either to lead the way and in the direction your manager/owners tell you to or lead your happy ass somewhere else. There is no way to stop the Mcdojoing or Bulllshidoing of an organization unless you are owner or manager.

    Many many many BJJ gyms are McDojos but they 95% of the time have an excellent product. It sounds to me like you are doubting the product not just the management direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lant3rn View Post
    So aerobic kickboxing...

    IMO this is mcdojo stuff.

    but i'm not really big on even shadow boxing.

    What if you held pads for them instead and practised combos and techniques that way.
    Teaching a striking art on the sign and Cardiowhatever-air striking in the inside is Bullshido because it is a lie.

    Management and Business model stuff is McDojo.
    Last edited by BackFistMonkey; 7/10/2017 2:01pm at .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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