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    Quote Originally Posted by 1point2 View Post
    If you can do 3 with a bit of effort and maybe a kip, I'd do a gajillion single reps with 30 seconds to one minute of rest between them. Volume will stimulate growth & strength. Within a month you'll be able to do a gajillion sets of 3 instead, maybe with a max of 5 or so. A simple way to organize this in your workout is to set a total rep goal for the workout, and keep resting and doing singles until you reach that total (or you're completely burnt out). Your first day, 10 or 20 total reps is plenty. Subsequent workouts shoot for 20, then 25, then keep pushing until you have high-rep sets and 50 or more total reps.
    Thanks a lot bro, this is all really useful stuff. i have pretty good upperbody strength, but i think a stronger core might help me. Is that relevant?I can beat my friends in armwrestling and obvs my gf too, but they all seem to have better core strength and can do more situps than me .... which is pretty embarassing lol

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    I get cleared next week for light duty. Hopefully I can join in this little thread and we can make a video thread of our gains?

    Any interest?
    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
    “I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by WFMurphyPhD View Post
    Slamming the man in the bottom position from time to time keeps everybody on their toes and discourages butt scooting stupidity.

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    In the USMC you just do a lot of pull ups. Three times a day before leaving the chow hall you just do your max reps, get back in line, and keep going. Doesn't leave much room for recovery though, but if you do say three max sets every other day you're bound to improve.

    Some of the advice given might work better, but that's just the actual fashion usually taken prepping for a USMC PFT if you wanted to do something similar

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    I seem to remember dips helping me develop a better pullup. It might have been the general activity increase but I seem to remember "feeling" like it helped.
    You can all roll your eyes, I am too.
    I am going to go do some googling and see if there is anyone else imagining the same thing out there.
    Last edited by Christmas Spirit; 6/27/2017 10:13am at .
    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
    “I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by WFMurphyPhD View Post
    Slamming the man in the bottom position from time to time keeps everybody on their toes and discourages butt scooting stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel_tke View Post
    Pullups are by far my favorite exercise. Just to qualify a little bit, I started doing pullups serious about 6 years ago. Back then I could do 1 good pullup and 3 if I was kipping. Right now I am 215lbs and I can do 20 strait pullups. I do them twice a week totaling around 40 - 50 per workout. When I first started I did the grease the groove program for about 4 weeks. By the end of it, I could do 3 strict pullups. After that I downloaded a pullup ap on my phone and started using it. It had me doing pullups 3 days a week. I would do about 6 sets with 30 second rests in between sets. The sets looked something like this: 1,1,1,2,1, max. Then the ap would slowly increase the reps over the weeks. I think it was a 8 week program and I was doing 15 pullups by the end.

    To answer one of your questions, no. The best way to get better at pullups is pullups. There are things that you can do to help along, but learning to love that bar is the best thing you can do. Another couple things. Don't buy gloves. Your hands will build up callouses and it may take a minute, but hang in there. Once they toughen up, you will be good to go. Also, most people lose their grip before their lats are actually getting a workout. That's normal. Hang in there, your grip will build up and then you will be good to go. One of the cool things about being good a pullups is the iron grip you will develop and the awesome looking arms.

    Another thing, there is no excuse to not get your pullups in. I've done pullups in hotel rooms on the back of doors, kids play sets, trees, stairs, rock walls, from awnings, all kinds of stuff. People look at you funny but that's only because they wish they were you, so don't worry about it.

    *******A year from now you will wish you had started today********** So don't put it off. Come back in a year and post on this thread to let us know how awesome you are for succeeding.
    I just remembered your posts years ago had me set up a bar between my desk and the bathroom.


    ( a pull up bar ... not like whiskey and mixers... some of ya'll may not believe that)
    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
    “I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by WFMurphyPhD View Post
    Slamming the man in the bottom position from time to time keeps everybody on their toes and discourages butt scooting stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    I seem to remember dips helping me develop a better pullup. It might have been the general activity increase but I seem to remember "feeling" like it helped.
    You can all roll your eyes, I am too.
    I am going to go do some googling and see if there is anyone else imagining the same thing out there.
    i've tried doing dips before, and all it did was give my sternum hell.

    I'm actually up to 4 as my max now! somehow, just doing pullups whenever I could helped, apparently.... lol i'm liking where this is going. my girl was watching and now we're in a pullup contest, to see who can do more by the end of july. gotta train hard boys!

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    Personally I have found Pavel Tsatouline's Grease the Groove program to work the best for gains, and while it was mostly bro science when he wrote it, there have been several actual scientific studies to back up the methodology, just for different reasons than what he claimed.

    The stub version is that consistency outweighs volume. Here is a men's health article that talks about some of the science:
    http://www.menshealth.co.uk/building...h-muscle-group

    In short your body will adapt faster if you perform the exercise daily than if you do it three times per week ect. Then there is the volume issue. The basic program outlined by Pavel is to figure out your absolute max number of body weight reps you can turn out. Cut that in half, that becomes your working number. Then do that multiple times per day until fatigue starts to set in and you start to lose form.

    For instance I had a personal goal of being able to do 400 pushups per day, and to do a solid set of 50 with ease. In my starting physical condition I could pull off 30 in good form before I started to struggle. So, 15 became my working number. I work from home(most of the time) so that made things a little less awkward. Whenever I got up from my desk, I would rip off a set of 15 push ups, I wound up doing 60-100 push ups per day. Starting my 3rd week, I'm doing 20 pushup sets now and closing on 200 push ups per day.

    So my advice is to get a home pull up bar, and find an excuse to hit it 5-10 times per day spread out over the course of the day, considering what you said is current max, I would say 2 pullup sets to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    I just remembered your posts years ago had me set up a bar between my desk and the bathroom.


    ( a pull up bar ... not like whiskey and mixers... some of ya'll may not believe that)
    lol. And years of doing it and that's still my go to advice. A friend last year called me and told me his nephew needed to do a certain amount of pullups to get on to the wrestling team. So I told him to buy a bar off Amazon and started him on the grease the groove program. He ended up making the team.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Tzadok View Post
    Personally I have found Pavel Tsatouline's Grease the Groove program to work the best for gains, and while it was mostly bro science when he wrote it, there have been several actual scientific studies to back up the methodology, just for different reasons than what he claimed.

    The stub version is that consistency outweighs volume. Here is a men's health article that talks about some of the science:
    http://www.menshealth.co.uk/building...h-muscle-group

    In short your body will adapt faster if you perform the exercise daily than if you do it three times per week ect. Then there is the volume issue. The basic program outlined by Pavel is to figure out your absolute max number of body weight reps you can turn out. Cut that in half, that becomes your working number. Then do that multiple times per day until fatigue starts to set in and you start to lose form.

    For instance I had a personal goal of being able to do 400 pushups per day, and to do a solid set of 50 with ease. In my starting physical condition I could pull off 30 in good form before I started to struggle. So, 15 became my working number. I work from home(most of the time) so that made things a little less awkward. Whenever I got up from my desk, I would rip off a set of 15 push ups, I wound up doing 60-100 push ups per day. Starting my 3rd week, I'm doing 20 pushup sets now and closing on 200 push ups per day.

    So my advice is to get a home pull up bar, and find an excuse to hit it 5-10 times per day spread out over the course of the day, considering what you said is current max, I would say 2 pullup sets to start.
    I've got a bunch of Pavel's books and have followed his kettlebell stuff for years also. Lots of good stuff there.
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    Great resources and advice here. It helps my motivation and gives me a framework to build goals on.

    I recently added pullups to my workout routine. I have yet to do a single full one -- I' m starting at the bottom, and can clear the bar with the top of my head, but not get the chin over yet.

    So, my goal: 1 good pullup, from full extension, no kipping.

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    It's pretty simple, really.

    Get a chinup bar or something similar at home.

    I got one of those that goes in the doorway for my kids. Their Mom got them one for when they are at her house.

    When they walk into the room, they do however many chin ups or pull-ups they can do.

    Every day

    If you can't do one chin/pull-up, then cheat by putting something under the bar so you can help yourself by pushing up with your legs a bit.

    In Judo class, I have students help each other.

    The goal is to be able to do one complete rep by yourself. Then two, then three, etc., then "cheat" and do more.

    Part of the whole thing is to be able to activate the muscles you need to use, and the cheating helps you to learn to feel how to do that.

    And no, I don't do chin-ups. The sound of my shoulders grinding is really gross...
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