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    HEMA Crappling

    In addition to my black belt in BJJ, I also have a pretty deep love for Historical European Martial Arts. I am a Free Scholar Adept with the Historical Fencing Affiliates, and I've been teaching British Military Sabre and singlestick classes for a little over a year now. As such, I'm a member of a number of HEMA groups on Facebook. Today, one of the other members posted this video.



    I tried to be as polite as possible, but I obviously couldn't give this video the encouragement that its presenters were looking to get. So, since I had to be all nice and cordial over there, I figured I'd bring the vid here for a more... liberal analysis.

    This isn't the worst crappling that I have ever seen, certainly. But holy crap-- how can anyone think that this sloppy mess of nonsense is worth presenting?

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    If it's HEMA where are the daggers?? I didn't watch the whole thing so maybe they pulled out weapons later?? Seriously though I have wrestled harder than that just rough housing around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bneterasedmynam View Post
    If it's HEMA where are the daggers?? I didn't watch the whole thing so maybe they pulled out weapons later?? Seriously though I have wrestled harder than that just rough housing around.
    There's a ton of unarmed grappling in HEMA treatises, too. Dagger definitely has its place, but being a BJJ guy, I tend to be more partial to stuff like von Auerswald's grappling treatments.

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    45 seconds in and I can't watch anymore. I could see no clear goals or objectives being accomplished.

    Just compliant *checks forum* good natured, completely normal, psuedosexual exploration of ones' sexual identity and comfortability with intimate contact. Young men do this stuff all the time, especially the French. There is no reason to hide it behind the HEMA banner.

    They are just having a good time and giggling, leave them kids alone.
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    Just compliant *checks forum* good natured, completely normal, psuedosexual exploration of ones' sexual identity and comfortability with intimate contact. Young men do this stuff all the time, especially the French
    I for one fully support the French all being gay. It means we straight Brits don't have to compete with guys with French accents.

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    That was pretty bad. Even for just flowing and messing around a bit, the leverage and understanding of movement was all wrong.

    If only half guard sweeps were as simple as the couple I saw here, turning the wrong way even. Dang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kung-Fu Joe View Post
    There's a ton of unarmed grappling in HEMA treatises, too. Dagger definitely has its place, but being a BJJ guy, I tend to be more partial to stuff like von Auerswald's grappling treatments.
    Oh I know there is unarmed grappling in HEMA, but why when you get to play with sharp stuff??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandem View Post
    I for one fully support the French all being gay. It means we straight Brits don't have to compete with guys with French accents.
    I said nothing about sexual preferences, just the French's openness to exploration which means you are still competing with them in the dating pool. Don't get all hopeful and twisted.
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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