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    Is this school a McDojo?

    Hey guys so I'm looking into some other schools in my area, and one that caught my interest (mainly for Judo) was this.
    (It seems I can't post links yet, so just google Harbor City Dojo judo and jujitsu. It'll be the one with HarborCityDojo in the url, not to be mistaken for HarborJudo)

    It seems to check out pretty nice, they're even affiliated with the USJA, USJJF and USJJO. (United States Judo Association, United States Ju-Jitsu Federation and United States Ju- Jitsu organization) Are these trusted affiliates or are they mcdojo chains? I'll be checking the place out in person soon, but I'm interested to see what you guys have to say about it. Thanks a lot.

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    MABS -------> YMAS

    Please read the stickies and forum descriptions of the forum you plan on posting in.
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    here is a handy link... http://www.harborcitydojo.com/

    I haven't looked anything over...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
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    Sorry, I don't understand. Isn't MABS for investigating/asking if a school is a mcdojo? I'm definitely missing something here.

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    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    Your post is "is my school a McDojo, should I train there"?

    Not "I think this place is and here is the evidence".
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    I'd say that something could still qualify as a McDojo, and still be effective. There are plenty of mass-produced, McDonalds-inspired dojo-chain arts like Judo, Karate and Hapkido around, trophies in the window, Japanese / Korean / American flags on one wall and ancient weapons on the other wall, with dozens of kids running around in Skittles-colored belts as part of their "ninja courses" on pizza night. We've even had 3 BJJ schools open up in South Houston over the past few years. So, don't write it off because it doesn't look like the garage gym from Never Back Down. I mean, Judo was the original McDojo, even before the Karate, Kung Fu, Ninja, Kickboxing and MMA crazes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin g View Post
    I'd say that something could still qualify as a McDojo, and still be effective. There are plenty of mass-produced, McDonalds-inspired dojo-chain arts like Judo, Karate and Hapkido around, trophies in the window, Japanese / Korean / American flags on one wall and ancient weapons on the other wall, with dozens of kids running around in Skittles-colored belts as part of their "ninja courses" on pizza night. We've even had 3 BJJ schools open up in South Houston over the past few years. So, don't write it off because it doesn't look like the garage gym from Never Back Down. I mean, Judo was the original McDojo, even before the Karate, Kung Fu, Ninja, Kickboxing and MMA crazes.
    I don't do judo but would be interested to see how you view it as being a McDojo. It is held in fairly high regard by a number of posters here.

    You also have "the booj" in your style tag. A lot of posters on this site view the booj as being a "McDojo" style. What would be your view on this?

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    Any style can become McDojo, once too many dojo open, or the quality-control is lost and the art becomes too estranged from the source ("crappling" BJJ knock-off schools), and there have certainly been Judo classes at the local YMCA that are not Kodokan-quality.

    As for the Bujinkan, yes, it's sad to say but I'd wager less than 10 percent of the schools are of quality instruction, and most of those guys have some cross-training under their belt, realizing the limitations of our art (or any art in general). Bujinkan aren't as McDojo as Karate or Judo or one of the bigger styles, but too many guys are teaching before they're ready, and try to mimick Hatsumi's soft "Aikido-esque" movements without benefit of decades of hard training. Plus, the "too deadly to spar" and "gourge the eyes on the ground" mindset doesn't help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badtigra View Post
    Hey guys so I'm looking into some other schools in my area, and one that caught my interest (mainly for Judo) was this.
    (It seems I can't post links yet, so just google Harbor City Dojo judo and jujitsu. It'll be the one with HarborCityDojo in the url, not to be mistaken for HarborJudo)

    It seems to check out pretty nice, they're even affiliated with the USJA, USJJF and USJJO. (United States Judo Association, United States Ju-Jitsu Federation and United States Ju- Jitsu organization) Are these trusted affiliates or are they mcdojo chains? I'll be checking the place out in person soon, but I'm interested to see what you guys have to say about it. Thanks a lot.
    Well, I don't know about the other things they are claiming to teach, some of the marketing on the women's self defense courses made me nervous but then again marketing usually, but the Judo instructor looks solid on the face of it. He is listed on the USA Judo site as a C-level referee which matches the claims that he has made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin g View Post
    Any style can become McDojo, once too many dojo open, or the quality-control is lost and the art becomes too estranged from the source ("crappling" BJJ knock-off schools), and there have certainly been Judo classes at the local YMCA that are not Kodokan-quality.

    As for the Bujinkan, yes, it's sad to say but I'd wager less than 10 percent of the schools are of quality instruction, and most of those guys have some cross-training under their belt, realizing the limitations of our art (or any art in general). Bujinkan aren't as McDojo as Karate or Judo or one of the bigger styles, but too many guys are teaching before they're ready, and try to mimick Hatsumi's soft "Aikido-esque" movements without benefit of decades of hard training. Plus, the "too deadly to spar" and "gourge the eyes on the ground" mindset doesn't help.
    There's no such thing as good Bujikan. It's all horrible and has ridiculous processes.

    There's fantastic karate and Judo out there. The same can't be said for Ninja-ing.

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