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    Learning martial arts to survive in an extreme environment — Please advise

    I live in a shithole. Mine is one of those countries you hear something absurd, unbelievable about in the news and think, "well, of course that happened there." Being in my mid-twenties, I've had a good number of bouts with death—sometimes I survived by being brave (or reckless), sometimes with cunning.

    At least twice, though, I survived by yielding; it's been some time since it last happened, but I still remember how impotent I felt, and I'm still fucking pissed about it, about how I felt. I hate this. Being reluctant to leave my house, having to be constantly jumpy when I do go out, knowing that if I make the slightest mistake I may find myself at the mercy a 14-year-old meth-head with a gun.

    I do not want to feel impotent again, if I can avoid it. Next time a huge thug wants to kick the **** out of me, I want to be able to put the good fight; next time someone tries to kill me, I want to be able to bring him along (or something of his that won't grow back); and if someone decides to invade my house and do some surprise raping, I want all of you, despite the many countries between us, to hear about what's happened to that fucker—whatever has to happen to me.

    If you think I'm being extreme, just imagine spending a few years under similar circumstances. The scenarios above are far from rare in my area. Before you write me off as a nut job, imagine yourself in my place. Whatever this looks like, I'm a calm person. I keep to myself. I just want to protect mine and myself from the **** that so often hits the fun.

    I want to become stronger, not only physically but also mentally, I want to become more disciplined, I want to improve my inner game, that's for sure, all this I want to seek in the martial arts—but becoming a skilled fighter, who can survive the stuff I described, is foremost.

    My height is above average, I am lean, I've been a skinny guy for my entire life. I seem to be able to muscles quick, though—the only occasion when I spent some time at the gym, my development was rather noticeable in less than six months—but don't think I'll ever be heavily built.

    And though I've lacked coordination in the sports I've tried (if you throw a ball at me, I'll probably duck instead of doing something useful with it), my reflexes have been good in extreme scenarios. Every single time that my life was a risk and I had any degree of agency, my thoughts just stopped, I felt nothing, and I was at my best—from dodging multiple cars coming from different directions in high speed to escaping a guy who had a knife to my neck or convincing people not to shoot me.

    Of course, like I said, cunning's been part of my survival, and most of it meant being really, really cautious as to avoid **** in the first place, being aware of my surroundings all the time, sizing every single individual that moved, having something at hand I could use as an improvised weapon, and so on.

    But some times it just can't be helped—last time a guy pointed a gun at me, I'd just taken a bus (ironically, the stop was next to a police station), and the ************ got inside and demanded money and valuables as soon as we start moving. Oh, he was a "nice," Marxist Robin Hood—so he only stole from "the oppressive bus company" (his words), but I don't like being terrorized, and I don't like old ladies being terrorized. But what could I have done?

    You know, when he was done, when he was waiting for the bus to stop and the door to open, he had already tucked his gun inside his pants, he wasn't paying attention, he had his back turned to me, I was close, I had checked the other people, there was no chance he had a partner; I could have kicked him in the neck, from behind; or in the head; or wherever. But could I make him stay down if I kicked? I didn't know, so I didn't try. I know how stupid this may sound to you, I know I'm no Jackie Chan, but remembering that event still hurt, because I couldn't do a fucking thing.

    This is the kind of "situation" I can face here, the kind of fun that my training in the martial arts would have to address. Ideally, I would be able to concentrate my "chi" and hadouken my way out of bad shit—or, as a second best, be able to dodge bullets and use my superior Aikido to break every wrist in the body of anyone foolish enough to shoot me—but in such ideal world I'd probably live in civilization and be rich, so I might simply hire a bunch of deadly ninjutsu masters as security personnel.

    No, I need something real and effective, and I have some ideas, but I need to consider the implementation. To use a limited time frame, let's take the next five years. I know no one can become proficient overnight, but I think it's reasonable to expect a good degree of skill after five years of disciplined training—which I intend to do. This would be the fundament to what I intend to be lifelong learning. How should I best approach it?

    Do I focus on a particular fighting style and dedicate the entire period (or most of it) to it? I'd consider Muay Thai. Would it be better to divide the period among different styles? Then, perhaps, Judo -> Muay Thai -> BJJ. Rather, should I pick a central style and strive to complement with others as I go? Then I'm thinking Muay Thai + Judo and BJJ.

    As I kid, I had some minimal experience with Shotokan Karate and some negligible dabbling in BJJ—I can detail this aspect of my background later, if you want; for our purposes here, suppose I'm a clean slate, without skill but also without bad habits—but there is nothing else. I've done some reading, and I think that I may find what I need in those three styles I mentioned above, but you may know better ideas. I'd really like to hear your thoughts—though then I'd be Charles Xavier and should be focusing on my psychic powers.

    Right now my body is, simply put, weak. All in all, I'm an underfed sack of bones, but I'm take care of this. During the five years we're considering, I intend to supplement the martial arts training with strength- (and mass-) increasing exercises, based mostly on weight lifting (with barbells, not machines), and some endurance training—though I shouldn't lose calories, I think I must be able to run fast and for enough time to escape something I can't beat, and my breath doesn't last long nowadays.

    This is my first post in this forum, and this is a whole new world I'm entering, so I apologize for any misconceptions I may have expressed here, or for using the wrong terms in this expression—by choosing to start this thread on YMAS I hoped that I would have the least chance of dazzling you during deep debates with a display of my inexperience. Thank you very for reading this far, and thank you in advance for your advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Short Timer? View Post
    ... and use my superior Aikido to break every wrist in the body .
    I would love to address the rest of the post, but I'm stuck trying to get over the fact that this is the second time, in less than a week, that I have read someone saying they will "break every wrist" in a person's body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrouchyOldMan View Post
    I would love to address the rest of the post, but I'm stuck trying to get over the fact that this is the second time, in less than a week, that I have read someone saying they will "break every wrist" in a person's body.
    Yeah trolls and idiots who think they are witty latch onto phrases and words and just beat them to death, thinking that is how it is done. It is also "signalling" like bandanas in the back pocket and foot tapping in the mens rest room and the palm out salute that turns into a wave at Republican rallies or any other bit of subtle identifying bit of data like codes words to clue others of their ilk onto the fact that they are hip cats and are down for the underground. In this case it is signalling to other trolls ... or gay sex. It is hard to tell at times cause he did mention Aikido and Street Fighting and those topics over lap heavily.

    I am just going to assume he wants some manlove since this isn't in Noobietown and if he has read the fucking forum at all he would know only Nimpo and Wing Chun have any real cred and weight.
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    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
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    Slamming the man in the bottom position from time to time keeps everybody on their toes and discourages butt scooting stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrouchyOldMan View Post
    I would love to address the rest of the post, but I'm stuck trying to get over the fact that this is the second time, in less than a week, that I have read someone saying they will "break every wrist" in a person's body.
    That's from Holy Moment's entry on Aikido from his "The Top 5 WORST Martial Arts." The other guy must have read it there and found the "threat" as funny as I did.

    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    I am just going to assume he wants some manlove since this isn't in Noobietown and if he has read the fucking forum at all he would know only Nimpo and Wing Chun have any real cred and weight.
    I don't, but since I mentioned "using my superior Aikido to break every wrist in the body of anyone foolish enough to shoot me" as a second best to hadouking my opponents, I thought people wouldn't take it at face value.

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    Start with boxing, after a couple of years add a grappling art, preferably judo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Short Timer? View Post
    I live in a shithole. Mine is one of those countries you hear something absurd, unbelievable about in the news and think, "well, of course that happened there." Being in my mid-twenties, I've had a good number of bouts with death—sometimes I survived by being brave (or reckless), sometimes with cunning.

    At least twice, though, I survived by yielding; it's been some time since it last happened, but I still remember how impotent I felt, and I'm still fucking pissed about it, about how I felt. I hate this. Being reluctant to leave my house, having to be constantly jumpy when I do go out, knowing that if I make the slightest mistake I may find myself at the mercy a 14-year-old meth-head with a gun.

    I do not want to feel impotent again, if I can avoid it. Next time a huge thug wants to kick the **** out of me, I want to be able to put the good fight; next time someone tries to kill me, I want to be able to bring him along (or something of his that won't grow back); and if someone decides to invade my house and do some surprise raping, I want all of you, despite the many countries between us, to hear about what's happened to that fucker—whatever has to happen to me.

    If you think I'm being extreme, just imagine spending a few years under similar circumstances. The scenarios above are far from rare in my area. Before you write me off as a nut job, imagine yourself in my place. Whatever this looks like, I'm a calm person. I keep to myself. I just want to protect mine and myself from the **** that so often hits the fun.

    I want to become stronger, not only physically but also mentally, I want to become more disciplined, I want to improve my inner game, that's for sure, all this I want to seek in the martial arts—but becoming a skilled fighter, who can survive the stuff I described, is foremost.

    My height is above average, I am lean, I've been a skinny guy for my entire life. I seem to be able to muscles quick, though—the only occasion when I spent some time at the gym, my development was rather noticeable in less than six months—but don't think I'll ever be heavily built.

    And though I've lacked coordination in the sports I've tried (if you throw a ball at me, I'll probably duck instead of doing something useful with it), my reflexes have been good in extreme scenarios. Every single time that my life was a risk and I had any degree of agency, my thoughts just stopped, I felt nothing, and I was at my best—from dodging multiple cars coming from different directions in high speed to escaping a guy who had a knife to my neck or convincing people not to shoot me.

    Of course, like I said, cunning's been part of my survival, and most of it meant being really, really cautious as to avoid **** in the first place, being aware of my surroundings all the time, sizing every single individual that moved, having something at hand I could use as an improvised weapon, and so on.

    But some times it just can't be helped—last time a guy pointed a gun at me, I'd just taken a bus (ironically, the stop was next to a police station), and the ************ got inside and demanded money and valuables as soon as we start moving. Oh, he was a "nice," Marxist Robin Hood—so he only stole from "the oppressive bus company" (his words), but I don't like being terrorized, and I don't like old ladies being terrorized. But what could I have done?

    You know, when he was done, when he was waiting for the bus to stop and the door to open, he had already tucked his gun inside his pants, he wasn't paying attention, he had his back turned to me, I was close, I had checked the other people, there was no chance he had a partner; I could have kicked him in the neck, from behind; or in the head; or wherever. But could I make him stay down if I kicked? I didn't know, so I didn't try. I know how stupid this may sound to you, I know I'm no Jackie Chan, but remembering that event still hurt, because I couldn't do a fucking thing.

    This is the kind of "situation" I can face here, the kind of fun that my training in the martial arts would have to address. Ideally, I would be able to concentrate my "chi" and hadouken my way out of bad ****—or, as a second best, be able to dodge bullets and use my superior Aikido to break every wrist in the body of anyone foolish enough to shoot me—but in such ideal world I'd probably live in civilization and be rich, so I might simply hire a bunch of deadly ninjutsu masters as security personnel.

    No, I need something real and effective, and I have some ideas, but I need to consider the implementation. To use a limited time frame, let's take the next five years. I know no one can become proficient overnight, but I think it's reasonable to expect a good degree of skill after five years of disciplined training—which I intend to do. This would be the fundament to what I intend to be lifelong learning. How should I best approach it?

    Do I focus on a particular fighting style and dedicate the entire period (or most of it) to it? I'd consider Muay Thai. Would it be better to divide the period among different styles? Then, perhaps, Judo -> Muay Thai -> BJJ. Rather, should I pick a central style and strive to complement with others as I go? Then I'm thinking Muay Thai + Judo and BJJ.

    As I kid, I had some minimal experience with Shotokan Karate and some negligible dabbling in BJJ—I can detail this aspect of my background later, if you want; for our purposes here, suppose I'm a clean slate, without skill but also without bad habits—but there is nothing else. I've done some reading, and I think that I may find what I need in those three styles I mentioned above, but you may know better ideas. I'd really like to hear your thoughts—though then I'd be Charles Xavier and should be focusing on my psychic powers.

    Right now my body is, simply put, weak. All in all, I'm an underfed sack of bones, but I'm take care of this. During the five years we're considering, I intend to supplement the martial arts training with strength- (and mass-) increasing exercises, based mostly on weight lifting (with barbells, not machines), and some endurance training—though I shouldn't lose calories, I think I must be able to run fast and for enough time to escape something I can't beat, and my breath doesn't last long nowadays.

    This is my first post in this forum, and this is a whole new world I'm entering, so I apologize for any misconceptions I may have expressed here, or for using the wrong terms in this expression—by choosing to start this thread on YMAS I hoped that I would have the least chance of dazzling you during deep debates with a display of my inexperience. Thank you very for reading this far, and thank you in advance for your advice.
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    Also rig a backpack up that has a level 3 body armor plate in it to use as a shooting shield for gun fights.

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    OR MOVE THE **** OUT OF WHERE EVER THIS PLACE IS DUMBASS! swim,bike,fly,walk or run to somewhere cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Short Timer? View Post
    That's from Holy Moment's entry on Aikido from his "The Top 5 WORST Martial Arts." The other guy must have read it there and found the "threat" as funny as I did.
    I liked your use of it... just maybe used too soon.
    I don't, but since I mentioned "using my superior Aikido to break every wrist in the body of anyone foolish enough to shoot me" as a second best to hadouking my opponents, I thought people wouldn't take it at face value.
    You are just mad cause I called you out on your signalling, sexual and otherwise.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghost55 View Post
    Violence is pretty uncommon in clubs in this area, and the dude didn't seem particularly hostile up until the moment he slapped me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WFMurphyPhD View Post
    Slamming the man in the bottom position from time to time keeps everybody on their toes and discourages butt scooting stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCS View Post
    Start with boxing, after a couple of years add a grappling art, preferably judo.
    Thank you very much, DCS.
    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    High capacity pistol in 9mm, ak -47 with a 80 round drum mag. ,a shot gun and a trench knife.
    All illegal here, and you can imagine how our jails are.
    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    Also rig a backpack up that has a level 3 body armor plate in it to use as a shooting shield for gun fights.
    OK, that will call for some improvisation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    OR MOVE THE **** OUT OF WHERE EVER THIS PLACE IS DUMBASS! swim,bike,fly,walk or run to somewhere cool.
    I'm working on that. Emigration is getting trickier and trickier.
    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    I liked your use of it... just maybe used too soon.
    You are just mad cause I called you out on your signalling, sexual and otherwise.
    I didn't have a hidden agenda on that. I was worried I'd somehow pissed you off, but that's all. I'm glad you're not. I don't get most of what you wrote.

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