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    Quote Originally Posted by Pship Destroyer View Post
    LOL OK...so you know there's a big gap from Dancercize to real strike training...and CKO is neither of them. They're not claiming to teach you kickboxing, or martial arts. So, they're not being deceptive.
    Oh GOODY!
    They're just like a real gym, but with the bagwork component emphasized.
    Most gyms don't have a "bag work component" unless they are a MA school.
    That means as long as I vett my bag instructor as "qualified", there should be no other issues...right?
    Except that you are learning (1)Cardio Kickboxing or you are learning (2)Shitty Pretend Bagwork for Shitty Pretend Kickboxing.
    Take your pick but only choose one there is no middle ground with NO CONTACT.
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    Oh GOODY!
    Most gyms don't have a "bag work component" unless they are a MA school.

    Except that you are learning (1)Cardio Kickboxing or you are learning (2)Shitty Pretend Bagwork for Shitty Pretend Kickboxing.
    Take your pick but only choose one there is no middle ground with NO CONTACT.
    Well there is always another option, and in my case, it might be doing some personal networking, and finding local people who do practice with contact, and might be willing to work with me. I can't think of another way to literally rub elbows with a golden gloves boxer, without traveling a distance.

    I'm not opposed to contact, but wasn't going to make it a critical part of my decision to sign up for a month or several. I figured WORST that could happen, I drop a few lbs I picked up over the winter and get my spring workout game on. Ruining my martial arts future was not in the metrics LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pship Destroyer View Post
    Well there is always another option, and in my case, it might be doing some personal networking, and finding local people who do practice with contact, and might be willing to work with me. I can't think of another way to literally rub elbows with a golden gloves boxer, without traveling a distance.

    I'm not opposed to contact, but wasn't going to make it a critical part of my decision to sign up for a month or several. I figured WORST that could happen, I drop a few lbs I picked up over the winter and get my spring workout game on. Ruining my martial arts future was not in the metrics LOL.
    It might be some good circuit training or a great workout. Go check it out. You will be doing yourself a disservice if you think you are doing anything that resembles Martial Arts. Just like a boxer who only hits the bag or a grappler that only wrestles with a dummy made out of old clothes and duct tape, you would be fooling yourself.

    ... and for the record no one plans on developing bad habits.

    I can't think of another way to literally rub elbows with a golden gloves boxer, without traveling a distance.
    I am personally not a huge fan of people in general, but if you think it is worth it.
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    If you try to do actual kickboxing at the same tempo the girls do pitter patter crap. You wil have to work ridiculously hard. So yeah do the class. Getting sharper is in part about repetition. Grining it out in one of these classes will work fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pship Destroyer View Post
    And another one... " competed at the ametuer level of kickboxing and has been training in mixed martial arts since his teens when he began boxing training at 15. He is a US Navy veteran, College graduate with a B.A. in Psychology and soon to be NASM certified through the National Personal Training Institute. He is available for pads, small group and personal training. "

    There are practically no negative reviews online of these places that I can find...even on Sherdog there are a few threads that seem supportive of the places as decent gyms (if not actual kickboxing training).

    4 star reviews, 5 star reviews, testimonials about how great the training is and how many people have gotten in great shape there...no reports of injuries.

    I guess my standing question is...if these places are so terrible, why aren't more people pointing that out? It's kind of anecdotal to point at a video here and say "their instruction is bad...look at that one chick!", and to leap to "this place will lead to your total ruin".

    Maybe if my body wasn't so ruined already, I'd be scared off. But if this local place ends up having a decent instructor, what's the REAL harm? I think the franchise owner has competitive experience but I've not had a chance to speak directly with him. IF his pedigree is like some of these other MMA/boxing guys...seems like a free trial class would not be the end of world or a descent into Bullshido...
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    I just went to nowhere, TX and found good striking training/excellent grappling training. I lived in nowhere, CO and got my start in fighting. What geographical anomaly do you live in where good training is so hard to obtain you are considering (shudder), cardio kickboxing? Knock off the bullshit and go train, noob.

    That aside, the workouts look like conditioning days at my first MMA gym, but with poor punching and kicking technique. So yes, you will probably get into better shape. I also get why the group thing is preferable to solo workouts. So do it if a workout is all you want. There is very little chance that you don't **** up your striking technique, however. You will develop habits that will hurt you if you ever decide to get back to real martial arts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tramirezmma View Post
    I just went to nowhere, TX and found good striking training/excellent grappling training. I lived in nowhere, CO and got my start in fighting. What geographical anomaly do you live in where good training is so hard to obtain you are considering (shudder), cardio kickboxing? Knock off the bullshit and go train, noob.

    That aside, the workouts look like conditioning days at my first MMA gym, but with poor punching and kicking technique. So yes, you will probably get into better shape. I also get why the group thing is preferable to solo workouts. So do it if a workout is all you want. There is very little chance that you don't **** up your striking technique, however. You will develop habits that will hurt you if you ever decide to get back to real martial arts.
    Theres a boxing gym in every town. Boxing at a boxing gym is generally like $30 a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    Theres a boxing gym in every town. Boxing at a boxing gym is generally like $30 a month.
    No, there isn't. There also isn't a hospital, gas station, bank, or funeral home in every town, either. Kiddie karate dojos, maybe...

    You sound like you live in an urban/suburban zone. I live in a more rural area. The closest boxing gym is in a nearby city...I'm not going there just to train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tramirezmma View Post
    What geographical anomaly do you live in where good training is so hard to obtain you are considering (shudder), cardio kickboxing? Knock off the bullshit and go train, noob.
    I live in the boondocks. Texas and Colorado are a lot more civilized than you're giving them credit for.

    Even been to Pennsyltucky or the Pine Barrens? I could show you barren wastelands where there is no boxing or judo for miles and miles.

    Consider yourself lucky, I guess.

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