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    The Difference Between Being Unorthodox and Disrespectful…

    https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/differ...disrespectful/

    Interesting article, I honestly didn't know I was an issue, I mean the donkey guard an worm guard got called out on this a bit too.

    I honestly don't know how giving up a position is disrespectful.

    Harden the **** up this is a sport.
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    Good points in TFA. I hear all the time "BJJ is an evolving sport, you can always learn something new, blah blah." If you're with a club that is complaining about new (i.e. unorthodox), you either need to get with the times, or move to a different school, because you're learning from a bunch of sore losers.

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    If it's legal, you can do it.
    If it results in your opponent losing,
    Then it is probably a good idea to do it.
    Especially in a money tournament.
    You can go too far with my line of thought of course.
    Yuki Nakai getting his eye deliberately gouged out being an example.

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    The most disrespectful thing you can do is not bring your A game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WFMurphyPhD View Post
    If it's legal, you can do it.
    If it results in your opponent losing,
    Then it is probably a good idea to do it.
    Especially in a money tournament.
    You can go too far with my line of thought of course.
    Yuki Nakai getting his eye deliberately gouged out being an example.
    But Gordeau lost.

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    So they got sore cos the guy bluffed his opponent into a position they thought was better and he came out and won? Bjj is like chess you gotta think 3 moves ahead. I dont think he did anything wrong.

    **** i hate people who pull guard constantly. its like be more dynamic bro. If he constantly pulls mount then i can see the upset but a win is a win. I think there should be a penalty for **** you constantly do. Like if you got 10 rounds and every round you pull guard, flying armbar or whatever you should be penalised for it. No one likes a one trick pony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kravbizarre View Post
    No one likes a one trick pony.
    If the "trick," works consistently, I have no problem with that. I just have to change my game, is all. Evolution, etc... If the "trick," doesn't work, well, you're getting smashed and subbed, so what does it matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenPengFi View Post
    But Gordeau lost.
    And I am glad that he lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kravbizarre View Post
    So they got sore cos the guy bluffed his opponent into a position they thought was better and he came out and won? Bjj is like chess you gotta think 3 moves ahead. I dont think he did anything wrong.

    **** i hate people who pull guard constantly. its like be more dynamic bro. If he constantly pulls mount then i can see the upset but a win is a win. I think there should be a penalty for **** you constantly do. Like if you got 10 rounds and every round you pull guard, flying armbar or whatever you should be penalised for it. No one likes a one trick pony.
    Why? The goal is to win, not to entertain the audience or show off your moveset. If I can best every foe with a single leg/pass/kimura or a flying gogoplata, then that reflects poorly on my opponents, not on me.
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    If he hold back from battle;
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMcClaw View Post
    Why? The goal is to win, not to entertain the audience or show off your moveset. If I can best every foe with a single leg/pass/kimura or a flying gogoplata, then that reflects poorly on my opponents, not on me.
    Exactly! Not to mention if someone is known for a certain trick its really bad on you to get caught with said trick.
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