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    How to prevent school shootings?

    It seems like school shootings are having a big impact on gun politics in the US. It seems inherently hard, however, to prevent random and isolated individuals from carrying out such acts. What are some things that you think might be done to reduce incidence of school shootings in the US?

    I was kind of thinking about this today and was wondering about having all new teachers train extensively in CQB, and then issuing them weapons to carry while on the job. There could also be a small arms locker with some rifles in each teachers' lounge where multiple teachers are likely to be congregating at any given time. What if during the programs and schools that one normally attends to become a teacher, CQB and emergency first aid is a mandatory subject? Part of the training would also, of course, include helping aspiring teachers to cultivate the appropriate combative mindset to be able to take this role. Teaching students would practice CQB and do force on force training throughout the entire teacher training program so that by the time they graduated they would have had consistent training for several years. The CQB would be standardized through the DOE so that theoretically any teacher could team up with any other teacher. You'd just need like 5 teachers who meet up during an incident to at least have the ability to form a small team.

    It also might help smooth over the politics of the US. For some reason, certain political groups seem to be a bit anti-teacher. However, if teachers were also seen as first responders in some capacity, perhaps respect for teachers across the US would become more universal.
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    We are more afraid than ever of gun violence, but the truth is the murder rate is at a 50-year low


    As the image at the top of the post demonstrates, the U.S. murder rate is now lower than it has been in half a century. According to some measures, the current murder rate approaches the lowest levels seen in more than 100 years. Or maybe even ever.
    As for mass shootings in the U.S.? James Alan Fox, a Northeastern University criminologist and co-author of Extreme Killing: Understanding Serial and Mass Murder, has shown that the number of incidents—defined as any shooting in which four or more people died—has remained steady over recent decades, despite the doubling of the U.S. population since 1960.

    Regarding gun deaths as a whole, the data just about exactly parallels the overall U.S. homicide rate.

    Let’s look at some more data: violence in schools has dropped dramatically in the past two decades, as have the overall rates of physical and sexual abuse of children.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/1...-a-50-year-low

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wounded Ronin View Post
    It seems like school shootings are having a big impact on gun politics in the US. It seems inherently hard, however, to prevent random and isolated individuals from carrying out such acts. What are some things that you think might be done to reduce incidence of school shootings in the US?
    1st lets be clear, when we are talking about school shootings it extends to any sort of shooting at a school, not just the shootings that make national head lines.
    To kind of put a point on this
    In December 1, 2000 in San Diego, California a A 15-year-old student who showed off a handgun on campus and threatened to shoot a classmate [...] ended up accidentally shooting himself on Friday, causing minor injuries.
    Is considered a School shooting.
    Hence why I am not a big fan of the term or the stats used around the term.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wounded Ronin View Post
    I was kind of thinking about this today and was wondering about having all new teachers train extensively in CQB, and then issuing them weapons to carry while on the job. There could also be a small arms locker with some rifles in each teachers' lounge where multiple teachers are likely to be congregating at any given time. What if during the programs and schools that one normally attends to become a teacher, CQB and emergency first aid is a mandatory subject? Part of the training would also, of course, include helping aspiring teachers to cultivate the appropriate combative mindset to be able to take this role. Teaching students would practice CQB and do force on force training throughout the entire teacher training program so that by the time they graduated they would have had consistent training for several years. The CQB would be standardized through the DOE so that theoretically any teacher could team up with any other teacher. You'd just need like 5 teachers who meet up during an incident to at least have the ability to form a small team.
    Are you fucking nuts? This is like the worse idea I have ever heard. So bad I don't even feel like explaining to you why its so fucking bad. Think about that ****.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wounded Ronin View Post
    It also might help smooth over the politics of the US. For some reason, certain political groups seem to be a bit anti-teacher. However, if teachers were also seen as first responders in some capacity, perhaps respect for teachers across the US would become more universal.
    Teachers tend to unionized and educated, this makes teachers very liberal leaning in the US. Thus why you have certain political groups(conservative leaning) be a bit anti-teacher.
    Those same groups also only pay lip service to First Respondents they tend to not actually support them when it comes time to draft up budgets.

    The solution to "School Shootings" is the same solution to all shootings, as they are mostly just that a shooting that so happen to be at a school.
    Oh and that solution doesn't really exist as shootings happen for a god damn **** load of reasons that can't be summed up in a simple little post online.
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    Thanks all for the thoughts. I really appreciated the link showing violence is down in the US. It's amazing that today, we are politically so volatile and reactive on the subject of violence within the US, when all long the problem has actually been greatly diminishing. I guess it demonstrates how the media completely distorts reality for most Americans.

    I guess I forgot to say it in my original post but it would go without saying that there would be mandatory refresher training every summer so it wouldn't be like the last training someone had was 20 years ago. There would need to be physical fitness standards too.

    Another political side affect could be normalization of firearms. If people grow up seeing armed teachers in areas that otherwise don't have firearms culture, maybe they wouldn't get so weird about firearms later in life in the political arena, pursuing such knee jerk measures as gun control, due to cultural unfamiliarity and lack of comfort with firearms.

    Goodlun, I appreciate your frank criticism. (And of course your incisive comments.) I thought that people might think the proposal is really out there. That being said, some workplaces are already conducting Hail Mary type training on trying to tackle an active shooter: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/act...id=mailsignout

    Stuff like that seems pretty questionable, but on the other hand, if someone's going to kill you or a lot of people anyway, some people might want to go for a Hail Mary. Better to die on your feet than on your knees, right?

    So having teachers be armed is just doubling down on that kind of thing, which already is out there, by adding weapons and a degree of training, and trying to add the ability to achieve a combative mindset in training years in advance.

    This is just sort of a brainstorm, too. Maybe having teachers with sidearms on them all the time could have some unintended consequences, but maybe the focus could be figuring out how to have a couple of secure small arms lockers that teachers could access in an emergency, or some other way of having weapons be available when they're needed. The principle is figuring out a way to have the ability to have responders who have trained in that school building (during the summer, say) on the scene almost immediately because they're already there and just need to access their equipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChenPengFi View Post
    The first step is to convince the general public that the sky is not falling.
    Good luck!
    I **** you not I spent a good amount of time having to be 100% sure that every workstation at work had access to this

    and this site
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wounded Ronin View Post
    Thanks all for the thoughts. I really appreciated the link showing violence is down in the US. It's amazing that today, we are politically so volatile and reactive on the subject of violence within the US, when all long the problem has actually been greatly diminishing. I guess it demonstrates how the media completely distorts reality for most Americans.

    I guess I forgot to say it in my original post but it would go without saying that there would be mandatory refresher training every summer so it wouldn't be like the last training someone had was 20 years ago. There would need to be physical fitness standards too.

    Another political side affect could be normalization of firearms. If people grow up seeing armed teachers in areas that otherwise don't have firearms culture, maybe they wouldn't get so weird about firearms later in life in the political arena, pursuing such knee jerk measures as gun control, due to cultural unfamiliarity and lack of comfort with firearms.

    Goodlun, I appreciate your frank criticism. (And of course your incisive comments.) I thought that people might think the proposal is really out there. That being said, some workplaces are already conducting Hail Mary type training on trying to tackle an active shooter: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/act...id=mailsignout

    Stuff like that seems pretty questionable, but on the other hand, if someone's going to kill you or a lot of people anyway, some people might want to go for a Hail Mary. Better to die on your feet than on your knees, right?

    So having teachers be armed is just doubling down on that kind of thing, which already is out there, by adding weapons and a degree of training, and trying to add the ability to achieve a combative mindset in training years in advance.

    This is just sort of a brainstorm, too. Maybe having teachers with sidearms on them all the time could have some unintended consequences, but maybe the focus could be figuring out how to have a couple of secure small arms lockers that teachers could access in an emergency, or some other way of having weapons be available when they're needed. The principle is figuring out a way to have the ability to have responders who have trained in that school building (during the summer, say) on the scene almost immediately because they're already there and just need to access their equipment.
    Armed security guards would be a better option. A lot of schools have "school resource officers" that are uniformed police officers or deputies stationed at schools.

    I don't know how many of the latest school attacks had either armed security guards or resource officers on campus. I suspect none or very few of them.
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    How much money does gun violence research, or really violence research in general, get compared to breast cancer or depression? Not enough, apparently (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0dbb8000ef5f0). And what about just basic firearms education in the public at large? How many people understand why expanding ammunition is used or what makes a gun a sniper rifle? To the best of my ability to tell, the answers to these questions are and will ostensibly remain mysterious to all but those who make a deliberate effort to educate themselves.

    It isn't like this with motor vehicles, or medications, or any other of the multitudinous risk-laden materials we accept in our daily lives. Firearm politics have snowballed such that with every generation the public is increasingly ignorant on a topic that forcefully invites opinionated expression. If this goes unchanged, the momentum will continue to sway against firearm ownership and an increasingly marginalised segment of every population will continue to be the whipping boy whenever a tragedy strikes.

    I want to believe it's possible to reverse the trend, balance the discourse, and actually actively create laws that make places better to live in, but as long as the discussion about firearms ownership centres around issues like what an "assault weapon" is and why you would ever "need" one, we're standing on quicksand.

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    In terms of training teachers. Good idea but I doubt it would work. Given the nature of parents and their wonky personal opinions I would be doubtful they'd appreciate knowing teachers can **** people up. And what if a teacher is a rapist? I'm not American so I have no idea how they hire school teachers there but here there aren't very stringent guidelines. A bachelors, teacher college, and a criminal background checks all they get.

    In terms of preventing school shootings. It wouldn't be wrong to suggest having some form of security officer inside the building. As it takes time for police and swat to show up at the school. Plus they have to wait before going in and such, having someone on deck who is trained for this type of thing is a good idea. However maybe not cost effective. There are so many different possible solutions. For example I believe some schools implemented the bullet blanket things. That's cool n all but how hard is it for a shooter to yank it out of children's hands and open fire? Having an officer on hand would be the best solution in my opinion as so many schools (highschools at least) have them on hand or nearby.

    Lowkey if you really want to prevent school shootings just teach everyone not to be crazy and maybe it'd be okay.

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