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    I have a friend that has won tons of titles in bjj. He is a worlds/pan am champ(ibjjf) and has just missed the podium at adcc.
    He is now pretty injured and cant compete any longer.He has a struggling bjj/mma school and has to work at a hardware store to make ends meet.
    Mark Shultz, one of the greatest free style wrestlers of all time, had to work as a roofer after wrestling was done.
    Ronda Rousey was broke after winning a medal in the Olympics.
    Do you really wanna be the best grappler in the world? If you answered yes the sensible thing to do is to move to Russia and become a citizen there. You will actually be respected and taken care of for representing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    Shitty genes and a *****, LOL! Tiny percentage get there and be successful, even moderately.
    Absolutely and to be quite honest it's a fools errand to even bother if you're an American and you would like even moderate financial success.
    I try to never pirate instructionals for that reason. If I don't care if a bjj guy i like to watch can pay his rent/mortgage who is going to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    I have a friend that has won tons of titles in bjj. He is a worlds/pan am champ(ibjjf) and has just missed the podium at adcc.
    He is now pretty injured and cant compete any longer.He has a struggling bjj/mma school and has to work at a hardware store to make ends meet.
    Mark Shultz, one of the greatest free style wrestlers of all time, had to work as a roofer after wrestling was done.
    Ronda Rousey was broke after winning a medal in the Olympics.
    Do you really wanna be the best grappler in the world? If you answered yes the sensible thing to do is to move to Russia and become a citizen there. You will actually be respected and taken care of for representing them.
    At one point my coach/sensei was top 8 then briefly top 4 in the USA in Judo in his weight class. He worked full time as a paint and body man, and then had his own business (same thing) for quite a while. He had to pay his way for everything. Hell, I had to loan him money one time to go to nationals (this was in the 80s) in Los Angeles. He paid me back shortly after we got back (I had planned to compete, but blew my knee out).

    I used to kind of pay him back for all his time and effort on my behalf by working for him at his shop. We'd work all day in the summer Texas heat, no AC, then drive to town to train, or drive 2.5 hours to Ft. Worth, Texas to train. We'd stay at his house in Ft. Worth, then get up early the next day to go back to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    At one point my coach/sensei was top 8 then briefly top 4 in the USA in Judo in his weight class. He worked full time as a paint and body man, and then had his own business (same thing) for quite a while. He had to pay his way for everything. Hell, I had to loan him money one time to go to nationals (this was in the 80s) in Los Angeles. He paid me back shortly after we got back (I had planned to compete, but blew my knee out).

    I used to kind of pay him back for all his time and effort on my behalf by working for him at his shop. We'd work all day in the summer Texas heat, no AC, then drive to town to train, or drive 2.5 hours to Ft. Worth, Texas to train. We'd stay at his house in Ft. Worth, then get up early the next day to go back to work.
    It's fucked up. For being in the top 100 of the Baddest muthafuckas walking the planet his reward was getting to breath fiber dust, hazardous chemicals and get his hands fucked up on sheet metal. That **** doesn't happen in Russia or tons of the other "evil" countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raycetpfl View Post
    "The fact is the people that are good and can fight at the level you want train full time, 8 hours a day, technique, strength and conditioning"

    Without steroids that's not possible. Otherwise youre counting just being "in" the gym as training.
    4.5 hours a day 4-5 days a week is about the maximum unless you're just an absolute physical anomaly and you would still probably end up with mental fatigue after not long.
    If youre counting Spending you're time not "training" reading technical books or watching instructionals, and breaking down fights as training than that changes thing a bit. Making you're body able and your mind ready is good training. It's why people watch game tape. I would also add time in for meditation/restoritive yoga.

    Chael Sonnen comments on this as too why he laughs when he hears someone say they are a "full time fighter". Granted he was never the absolute best but, he's really good (top 3 for years). He says it takes about 4 hours a day. He ran for public office, was a mortgage broker/real estate guy, owns a pizza shop, gym and worked as commetator.
    You make a good point which is why Steroid use is such as issue with professional fighters. However, in the 8 hours I include strategy sessions, relaxing drilling, flow rolling and other such low intensity training between the good solid 4-5 hours of high intensity training you mention.

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    When you get old by the way you can be a bit crap at something and still enjoy it.


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    Ok so even though I'm old, weak and sucky (all of which are true), can I still defend myself in a bar fight- or is that a pipe dream as well?

    Wait...maybe don't answer that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by twan55 View Post
    Ok so even though I'm old, weak and sucky (all of which are true), can I still defend myself in a bar fight- or is that a pipe dream as well?

    Wait...maybe don't answer that...
    From one old, weak, sucky guy to another, STAY THE **** OUT OF BARS.

    Problem solved...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BKR View Post
    From one old, weak, sucky guy to another, STAY THE **** OUT OF BARS.

    Problem solved...
    ^^This, all day, every day.

    Great article Plasma, for it is truth. I know I have gotten a little over confident in my abilities in judo, only to be schooled by someone who is smaller, has less "experience" (total years on the mat), but with an extensive competition background (international level brown belt). While I would love to train to the point where I feel I am actually a valid judo shodan, ain't nobody got time for that. Unless I win the lottery. Then I would spend a ton of time on the mat.
    I feel like you eye-bawlin' me, dawg!

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    Quote Originally Posted by <plasma> View Post
    You make a good point which is why Steroid use is such as issue with professional fighters. However, in the 8 hours I include strategy sessions, relaxing drilling, flow rolling and other such low intensity training between the good solid 4-5 hours of high intensity training you mention.

    Inside that 4.5 hours there is plenty of time for all the physical activity you mentioned. The other things can get put into the rest days. You can't even go hard for 4 hours a day every day. Your body will break down quite fast.
    You can shut down a muscle group in under 30 mins of lifting or do an awe some circuit...... But instead people meander around the gym for an hour and a half.
    Also so they are fucking off when they should be drilling. If you drill a hundred armabrs. A 100 triangles ,a hundred armbars, a hundred chokes. That should take you about 15 mins. That's doing every at over 2 seconds a rep with extra time to switch.
    I agree most people don't train the way people need to train to be great but I disagree that you have to quit your job to do it.

    In my opinion if someone is actually training 8 hours a day they are on better drugs than Sonnen was and have better genetics or they waste a bunch of time and call it "training time".

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