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    Huntington/Commack NY Schools legitimacy

    What's up,

    I moved into the area and wanted to check with the forum members if the schools I was looking into are legit and worth my time and money as tools to learn a martial art and to stay in shape.

    Suigestu Dojo - Hakkoryu Jutsu by Sensei Smith

    United Self Defense Center - Shaolin Kempo Karate by Hanshi Larry Boritz

    American Kempo Karate - White Tiger Kempo by Master Dominick Panetta.

    Any info on these school would be appreciated.

    I already understand that these arts aren't the most practical for self defense but these are the closest schools to me I'm interested in, and since I just moved into the area I'm looking to invest in a legit school long term.







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    Moved to YMAS. MABS is not for help me pick my school stuff.

    We beat that with sticks here in YMAS.
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirnightw View Post
    What's up,

    I moved into the area and wanted to check with the forum members if the schools I was looking into are legit and worth my time and money as tools to learn a martial art and to stay in shape.

    Suigestu Dojo - Hakkoryu Jutsu by Sensei Smith

    United Self Defense Center - Shaolin Kempo Karate by Hanshi Larry Boritz

    American Kempo Karate - White Tiger Kempo by Master Dominick Panetta.

    Any info on these school would be appreciated.

    I already understand that these arts aren't the most practical for self defense but these are the closest schools to me I'm interested in, and since I just moved into the area I'm looking to invest in a legit school long term.






    It will be difficult to tell quality based on business names and websites, alone. But, there are some things we can see:

    1) http://www.suigetsu.com/ This is what we typically call JJJ. There are good schools, and there are crap schools. At a good school, you're lucky to be on par with any decent and respected Judo or BJJ club. At a bad school, well, you're learning Aikido, or worse.
    2) Shaolin Kempo Karate? Why not Shaolin Kempo Muay Thai Kali Western Boxing Gun Club? Didn't look at them or for them, because the cultural misappropriation gives me pause.
    3) American Kempo / White Tiger. This is probably an Ed Parker offshoot, of some sort, that doesn't know how to spell "kenpo," in American English. Maybe OK, maybe crap.

    The real question is what are your training goals, and can you align them with any of the schools in your area?

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    United Studios is a chain that seems to very consistently follow their business model of subpar martial arts and heavy marketing.

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    You are now about to witness the strength of street legitimacy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Losco View Post
    You are now about to witness the strength of street legitimacy
    Oh boy. I am trembling with antici...
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackFistMonkey View Post
    Oh boy. I am trembling with antici...
    Say it, Frank, you've got consti...

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    ... pation.
    I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean Paula-Satire
    Never believe that the GOP and fellow bigots are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The bigots and Republicans have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past and that besides, they have already won

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    Guys,

    Thanks for the responses. For a little background I took Kickboxing and Grappling at the one and only TSMMA for about 2 years in length, but that was 8 years ago. As much as I've read ( and experienced ) how it is a McDojo, first hand experience is best. They did train hard there and seeing that legit UFC fighters come out of their schools ( Lyman Good comes to mind and he trained/taught at the NYC location where I began training) so they at least handled sparring and techniques in a practical fashion. They were just way too expensive to afford on a monthly basis. Think car payments, and you're looking at the type of investment they want from a 4 class a week type student.
    Now that I'm settled in this new area I'm looking to get back into a martial art that's a good after work exercise that will teach me useful self defense with enough challenge to keep me interested in training.

    After some intense research the past few days and from attending some free trial classes I've found the school for me - Trigon Academy.

    I took a one month ( 7 classes) session at Suigetsu dojo and I wasn't impressed. They were good at rolling and practiced a lot of wrist locks but I was able to witness a testing class and thought it turned into the school for uncoordinated kids. Awful to watch, but I sat thru the 2 hour process. Let's just say I wasn't afraid of sparring with any of the students. Too bad I wasn't able to see a black belt test.

    Took a class at American Kempo and it wasn't that bad, decent workout and the drilling seemed difficult enough, I just figured that I'm not interested enough in spending time to learn forms and katas.

    I canceled my trial at UFC gym and the local TSMMA gym because I just trialed at Trigon last night. I was excited right after talking to the instructor. Kickboxing, BJJ, Goshin Ryu, Kali, and 4 classes a week ( which is what I'm used to training with) won't break my bank. Even unlimited classes is only a small step up from that so I'm happy I went thru this process.
    They seem to actually care to learn practical defense and get into good habits at this school so I couldn't ask for more. Looking forward to the next class which is Monday.

    Thanks for the help and if you are in the area, stop by and check it out!

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    I'm just cursorily reexamining your geography, you're not far from Serra BJJ, a solid choice if there ever was one. Also, you might check into Smithtown Judo, another relatively close option.

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