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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlMatt View Post
    There are a LOT of people who would disagree with you on that point.
    Are we referring to general-usage in terms of defining "martial art"? In this case some might argue for the inclusion of movies, poomse-to-music, "shaolin" circus tricks for paying audiences, kiddie-krotty, endless philosophizing and so on under that title.

    If we are going with a more etymological definition ("martial" pertaining to "combat"), the list of what might be included is likely to be far more restricted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlMatt View Post
    There are a LOT of people who would disagree with you on that point.
    A lot of people go to mcdojangs, a lot of people do sport kroddy, a lot of people do many things. A lot of people does not equal a fact. That is an appeal to a majority or popularity and does not prove anything.

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    I don't really get the hate for TKD, but then again I don't fully understand this whole McDojo thing so I guess it maybe something to do with that. I'm in a small costal town in Australia so maybe it is something we have yet to see happen, dunno. My first club was a small one where we trained in a more traditional WTF TKD style (we retained use of our arms). We were not a full contact club admittedly, but that was also mostly due to insurance reasons, but we still sparred (light to no contact). We used the flappy paddles to develop speed and accuracy and used large body shields to help develop our power. We were in a community hall so we couldn't exactly hang up bags everywhere or even lay down matting on the floor so we were left to train on wooden floor boards (which also due to insurance reasons ment we were not allowed to really perform takedowns). Despite the 'sissyness' of the club I still enjoyed my training and gave me enough confidence to be able to avoid turning every confrontational situation I found myself in, into a fight. Does not mean my training has not come in useful. It has helped me defend myself from (I still dont know how to put this without it sound utterly stupid and ridiculous) sudden ambushes by spiders, random attacks from wild birds (feathered kind), flying (and falling) tree branches, and various other random attacks by native flora and fauna. Yes I know it sounds rather cliche (boards may not hit back, but in rural Australia, Mother Nature will try to hit you with a tree) and I wish I could say that I have used what I have learnt against another human instead of blasted animals and plants, but it is the sad honest truth of my situation. So while it may not be full contact, balls to the wall, make your opponent bleed type club, doesn't mean count it out. You may learn something, hell you may even have fun. Guess that goes for a lot of styles really. But then again, the whole Mc Dojo thing may just make my point invalid. Don't know.

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    Nice posting Project. However I have to ask why would you wish to use what you learn against anybody? That's like buying car insurance and then wanting to smash into someone to see if your coverage is really that good. If you have not had a chance to use it in a real life situation against a human, then good for you. You either live in a nice low crime area or you are just not a complete asshole looking for problems, either way kudos.


    BTW...I have seen some of the spiders from Australia...I much rather take on a human than one of those things.
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    I'm not saying I would LIKE to use it on another human, I hope I never have to. But when you say you study martial arts and the only thing you ever have defended yourself against are some plants and animals, peoples reactions tend to get a little imbarrasing and insulting (Oh really. Well I killed a spider the other day, with a shoe. Didn't need to spend 5 years studying some fighting style to do that. They start you off with little fuzzy spiders first or do you guys go hard core and start fighting them strait away. And how do you grapple with those guys? THAT I'd like to see. etc, etc, etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProjectAKO View Post
    I'm not saying I would LIKE to use it on another human, I hope I never have to. But when you say you study martial arts and the only thing you ever have defended yourself against are some plants and animals, peoples reactions tend to get a little imbarrasing and insulting (Oh really. Well I killed a spider the other day, with a shoe. Didn't need to spend 5 years studying some fighting style to do that. They start you off with little fuzzy spiders first or do you guys go hard core and start fighting them strait away. And how do you grapple with those guys? THAT I'd like to see. etc, etc, etc)
    Again, when your spiders look like this, Click image for larger version. 

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    I'd just assume tangle with a banger. ha.ha.ha
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    Ah. Good old TKD.
    I almost joined the local Dojang.. almost..

    I will not go into "why" I chose not to.

    But I will state that since my training in Martial Arts and subsequent frequenting of Martial Arts sites, reading, etc, I've learned that TKD isn't all it's "not cracked up to be"... or in other words, it's not really as "bad" as it has a reputation (in the MA world) for being.

    And that's not speaking for ALL TKD, of course.. but just to highlight the fact that, for those of us who have/had the mcdojang impression of TKD, we may do well to take a deeper look.. There's some good, hard, serious TKD in the world. Maybe not much in the West (and maybe there is still!), but it does exist.

    Don't let the stereotypical local-town TKD dojang you're familiar with obscur your perception of the art, as it once did mine.

    Osu

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    Interesting thread and I didn’t know this part of the forum existed so I am late to the game. I came up in the late 1970’s when MA schools and the whole business of Dojo/Dojangs were not that old in most East Coast states. My mom basically wanted me to do more than watch Bonanza reruns during the summer of 1979. You would see Karate, TKD, Kung-Fu Schools, and some Judo Dojos but that was about it. Originally there were a bunch of bad ass Koreans that I trained with, they came to this city in the early 1970’s and TKD was all they knew. Some went to Upstate New York, Pittsburg PA, and Toronto CA. Some of these guys are on the original cover of Taekwondo-Do: The Condensed Encyclopedia when it first printed. These guys were not like the WTF watered down sport you see now. These guys used their hands which was rare because they had to compete with the Karate schools in the region so there was an adjustment made. We did not question them or their teaching methods about anything at the time because we were told or led to believe that what you did was enough. The schools were small and not places where you could “get a black belt in a year”

    I know because I was there and lived through all these changes. Especially in the 80’s and early 90’s when the “black belt school” marketing **** came about. Groundwork and grappling were not heard of because it was just not in anyone’s system so martial arts schools are now trying to play catch up and cash in and downgrade TKD….I see it all the time.. A new studio opened up with the school offering every Martial Art under the sun. Sorry but you can only get good in a few disciplines. With the UFC, it changed things for a lot of people, and now like other things people decided they can, or are able to make money off of it. When the pre- MMA came around in 1993 was the year I remember the martial arts community got turned on its head. What grappling did do was give people a kick in the ass and showed them the holes in their system and TKD was targeted the most and still is. Thing is even at 50 I can hang with anyone in our striking program most of the time. I have an ITF background and have had to learn leg kicks but I wanted to do it. I said on another thread a WTF fighter that kickboxes at our school is someone that has won the last 6 title fights here locally. He won a fight last week after I fine-tuned some kicks with him so I said to other guys in the gym TKD CAN work. It still will have to be justified until it is incorporated into the MMA curriculum then it will be left alone.

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