Any non BS Buj practitioners?

[Whoopty]

Apologies if this should be in the newbietown forum, but I was directed here from there so... hopefully the right place.

I've read the FAQ and a few of the Buj. bashing threads, very very interesting.

My training differs quite a bit from some of the practices described here for what seems like the majority of the schools, and I was wondering if there was any practioners on here that were accepted as being without "BS"?

Essentially, have I got a hope in hell of not getting slammed by you fine folks? :)

[KO'd N DOA]

Hi Whoopty,

You really are on a quest for the Philosopher's stone, with that one. I will be sure to keep an eye out for Non BS Ninja that are universally accepted. While I am at it, I will keep a look out for ANYONE who is accepted and who hasn't been slammed a few times.

In the meantime, try to look up my ninja friend Ninjaboj who was posting here a while back. Nice kid that one. I even 'accepted' him as my friend on my user profile.

Best of luck.

[Whoopty]

Thanks for the reply KO'd. I obviously came across like a bit of a pansy there; a bit of slamming is fine, and I have no problem defending what I do if necessary though my lack of experience in other martial arts won't exactly assist me there.

I posted a short bit about my training in the NewbieTown forum which might go a short way to legitemising (sp?) me, a short way at least:

"To clear some bits up about my training at least, I've been doing 2 hours a week of training with an instructor, and about 2 a week of practicing away from classes for just under 20 months, and I'm currently a 7th Kyu.

When learning techniques, we usually practice them slowly at first, and then speed them up with full contact at all times; everyone walks away with bruises. The ethos is that it lets you feel how effective what you're practicing is, while conditioning you to be able to take pain.

In regards to sparring, we don't do a lot; though it's not unheard of. However, when practicing any technique - defending against a punch, kick etc. - we do each one with what's been described to me as "full intention", IE. If you don't move your head, you'll be losing some teeth. Throughout the technique also, the Uke is encouraged to counter, and both parties are encouraged to improvise. This often evolves into a 30second + sparring of sorts, with only damaging punches being pulled; eg. nut shots, eye gouging etc."

[Evil Solvalou]

If you really are training in an alive manner it's not too difficult to get some respect here. The key is to remember to provide proof.

Some things you could do would be to post videos of yourself training and sparring, preferably full contact; show up to a throwdown; take the time to read some threads and see how things work here.

No one is really going to slam you for having a different opinion as long as you can back it up.

[Whoopty]

Ok Evil cheers. I can't post any videos of myself yet as have simply not been filmed. However, I can point people in the direction of the fella' that trains me demonstrating some techniques however:

http://www.youtube.com/user/BudoWarriorSchools8

There's only one video on there of me being demonstrated on for a few seconds, and it's hardly impressive - I'd only been training for 12 months or so at the time.

I'll endeavour to get a video of our training sessions to showcase what we get upto.

[Whoopty]

And since I assume a Mod will see this as it will have to be moderated, how come my posts need to be checked by a moderator before being seen in this thread?

Thanks.

Edit: Ahh because of the link. Apologies to all please delete this.

[plasma]

There is a LARGE difference between drilling at full speed and sparring. It doesn't matter how hard the kick is as you know a kick is coming and you have a prepared defense vs. Pulling off the technique during a live spar/scenario where you don't know what attack is coming or if an attack is coming at all and you defend via muscle memory.

If you want to prove yourself look in the throwdown forum for the next london throwdown.

[Whoopty]

Fair enough I see your point. What kind of experience levels show up at the throwdowns?

While the majority may be full speed drilling, we also improvise a lot with counters being thrown in by the Uke consistently - as long as you're competent at the technique.

We also do some sparring occasionaly, and will also have occasions where we simply stand infront of the Uke, who is told to attack in anyway he wants, we then defend ourselves with no knowledge of the incoming attack, often from a non-guarded stance; therefore there is no way to prepare for it.

[Styygens]

We also do some sparring occasionaly, and will also have occasions where we simply stand infront of the Uke, who is told to attack in anyway he wants, we then defend ourselves with no knowledge of the incoming attack, often from a non-guarded stance; therefore there is no way to prepare for it.

The horror. The horror...

Sadly, I've done this too. Within the last year... <sigh>

[plasma]

Its so cute when Ninja meet on the internet. The Shadows must be lonely.

[DerAuslander]

Its so cute when Ninja meet on the internet. The Shadows must be lonely.

Whatever you say, KageKaze.

[Whoopty]

Surely it really just comes down to what you're training for?

With sparring you train for a one on one fight, with no weapons - other than your natural ones - in an open space, with no interruptions, against a fighter of matched weight and experience.

Our training is mainly self defence based, and is more situational, involving weapons etc. I'm sure I'd get panned in a match off against someone with sparring experience, but I'd like to think I'd be better at handling a punch that was thrown out of nowhere by someone I wasn't expecting it from.

In reality, we're training to take down and lock up an opponent before it even gets to a sparring stage. I see the validity of testing your abilities with it occasionally, but I think it's just too controlled for it to be the be all and end all of training. You might not know where an attack is coming from, or when it will come... but it will. When sparring the guy isn't gonna turn around or give up.

[Evil Solvalou]

[spooky]

What evil said!!

Bujinkan, as a system, doesn't really cover self defence aspects for a modern environment, in my worthless opinion. You have to add these things to it.

[Styygens]

YouTube - Michael Jackson Spotted Alive

I figure this vid has as much credibility as this thread.