Karate Do Shotokai

[Patcherson]

has anyone read the first post xD

this is supposto be about
Karate Do Shotokai


style differences from other styles not [I]DerAuslander108[/"]No BS MMA and Martial Arts - View Profile: [email protected]@[email protected]@View Profile: DerAuslander108</title>@@[email protected]@DerAuslander108 trying to prove he is a grandmaster or sumit

[foxguitar]

Shut the fuck up, you ignorant half-assed pretentious cock.

Try contributing to the site a little. Try actually saying something of worth. Try using correct grammar. Try not being a little punk on these boards.

Do you even know what this site is about? Do us a favor and don't post for six months. Lurk the forums a little while and reconsider whether this is the place for you. I'll give you a hint: we aren't MAP, we don't care about your stupid wrong "opinions", and we're trying to discuss and advocate for specific aspects of martial arts.

See heres where we disagree you are only advocating what you believe to be your versions of specific martial arts .

Anybody who has the opinion that differs from the mob is attacked and ridiculed.

you cant have Karatedo no matter what style even Kyokushin which is rightfully held to high esteem by most of you guys without the practice of Kata . And To alot of people especially highly established Karate people kata helps you develop your Karate which means Kata Kihon and Kumite .

Yes as we said before Kata alone no but combined with other factors will help . And Im speaking of karate not BJJ or muay Thai im not experienced so I dont speak of them .

[foxguitar]

[quote=DerAuslander108;2187864]Right.



You're so worshipful of old Japanese men, you can't stomach the fact that they might have been wrong about the nature of their martial art & its training, because they were only given a limited glimpse of what their martial art actually was. That is not my individual criticism, that is historical fact. Any scholarly research into karate's history will support me.

what strikes me funny here you are a bald white american of Austrian descent and you speak and try to act asian . I would think you are the more worshipful one there brother.

And having an opinion and feeling certain ways after studying with respected instructors doesnt make me wrong or those old Okinawan or Japanese Masters wrong . I just think differently as so do they.

And I thought a forum was to express opinions not to go with the mob rule.

[Patcherson]

Shut the fuck up, you ignorant half-assed pretentious cock.

Try contributing to the site a little. Try actually saying something of worth. Try using correct grammar. Try not being a little punk on these boards.

Do you even know what this site is about? Do us a favor and don't post for six months. Lurk the forums a little while and reconsider whether this is the place for you. I'll give you a hint: we aren't MAP, we don't care about your stupid wrong "opinions", and we're trying to discuss and advocate for specific aspects of martial arts.

this made me laugh xD thanks

[Patcherson]

[quote=foxguitar;2188015]

what strikes me funny here you are a bald white american of Austrian descent and you speak and try to act asian . I would think you are the more worshipful one there brother.

And having an opinion and feeling certain ways after studying with respected instructors doesnt make me wrong or those old Okinawan or Japanese Masters wrong . I just think differently as so do they.

And I thought a forum was to express opinions not to go with the mob rule.

I agree no matter what is said its always put down for instance DerAuslander108 actually agreeing katas work then ridicling shotokan karate because its not "his way of karate"

and 1point2 who's never even done karate trying to say something about an art he has NO EXPERIENCE in then calling me ignorant for not agreeing with something he based on pure bullshit

[Styygens]

Well... I've learned something from all this.

Increased font size makes one more right. Size does matter.

Now you know. And knowing is half the battle!

[Patcherson]

Well... I've learned something from all this.

Increased font size makes one more right. Size does matter.

Now you know. And knowing is half the battle!

haha xD

it doesn't make me more right it emphasizes my point

[Lindz]

See heres where we disagree you are only advocating what you believe to be your versions of specific martial arts .

Anybody who has the opinion that differs from the mob is attacked and ridiculed..

When will you get it? No one gives a shit about opinion. Try bringing some facts and see what happens.

and 1point2 who's never even done karate trying to say something about an art he has NO EXPERIENCE in then calling me ignorant for not agreeing with something he based on pure bullshit

Go read his posting history. He started in a kata centric karate ryu.

[Lindz]

Go read his posting history. He started in a kata centric karate ryu.

Or just read his style field.

[foxguitar]

When will you get it? No one gives a shit about opinion. Try bringing some facts and see what happens.



Go read his posting history. He started in a kata centric karate ryu.

Well who is to decide what the facts are , My idea of facts and the myriad of great instructors Ive had agree with me and actually besides my own experience gave me the reasons why I feel the way I do. ,

Where are your facts coming from ?

And you know what like Der says if Im happy with my training what do you care .And if Im doing Shotokan or that matter any Karate , then Kata is a key element , Maybe in BJJ or muay Thai there is no kata but its too different types of arts. And in Karate Kata is there for a reason in at least my mind.

So Like I said this thread is about Shotokan and Shotokan while not as Kata intensive as say Shito Ryu , Has Kata that is designed to teach you how to move and have combinations and get you to do numerous techniques in rapid succession , If that doesnt besides the "alive training " and Kumite help you to be a better fighter than I think you are not training right.



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[Lindz]

[quote=foxguitar;2188325]Well who is to decide what the facts are , My idea of facts and the myriad of great instructors Ive had agree with me and actually besides my own experience gave me the reasons why I feel the way I do. , [quote]

well we could discuss that whenever you present something resembling a fact. But basically anything that starts with "I feel" or "In my opinion" etc isn't. Any of your experiences are (unsubstantiatable) facts. You could start with those.

Where are your facts coming from ?

I haven't presented any.

[maofas]

Fuck kata, fuck it, fuck it. I'm sick of hearing about it, it's only 1/3 of the Ks but it takes up 4/5 of the discussions.

On a side note: I did wake up at 7:30 AM, make coffee and do Bassai Dai before/while/during wake-and-baking.

[bassai]

Ok , to approach this argument from a different direction , is the genera opinion that Shotokan kata is beyond repair ?
If not what would be the appropriate steps to fix them ?

[foxguitar]

Fuck kata, fuck it, fuck it. I'm sick of hearing about it, it's only 1/3 of the Ks but it takes up 4/5 of the discussions.

On a side note: I did wake up at 7:30 AM, make coffee and do Bassai Dai before/while/during wake-and-baking.

there ya go OSU

[foxguitar]

[quote=bitchslapper;2188369][quote=foxguitar;2188325]Well who is to decide what the facts are , My idea of facts and the myriad of great instructors Ive had agree with me and actually besides my own experience gave me the reasons why I feel the way I do. ,

well we could discuss that whenever you present something resembling a fact. But basically anything that starts with "I feel" or "In my opinion" etc isn't. Any of your experiences are (unsubstantiatable) facts. You could start with those.


I haven't presented any.

Well the fact is in Shotokan Karate there are like Mao stated the 3 Ks

and all are treated equally Kata , Kihon and Kumite

Yes there are Shotokan Dojos that over empathize the Kata and the Kihon to the disadvantage of the kumite , There is no denying that.

I have a feeling that 1point is so anti Karate because his particular school did mostly Kata without alot of "live training'

I had a Shotokan dojo run by a well respected Japanese Karate Ka whose techniques were flawless but the school was too Kata crazy for me , we did hours of Kihon , line drill after line drill , Kata , every one from the Taikyokus to all the Heians , tekki shodan to sandan , bassai Dai bassai sho Jion , jitte on up , the higher ranks did all the lower katas right up to their levels. alot of one step sparring , But very little free or jiyu kumite , So after a while I yearned for more sparring and livelier training. So I can relate to the live training principles Im not against that at all.

But to this day my Kihon and stances imho very strong

In my present dojo which IMHO is the best Ive had gone to , We do alot of live training , The instructors were world class competitors who trained like olympians in competition karate , yes its WKF rules but I do Karate so thats how we fight. street defense is totally different ball of wax

And my senseis are very pro Kata , they feel strong Kata helps along with the other areas become a better karate fighter .

Like I said this thread is about Shotokan

And IMHO in WKF competition there is no such thing as a pure Shotokan stylist for example alot of Shotokan people are learning kata of other styles to compete and even some are learning Taekwondo kicking to help score the 3 point attacks to the head and face area.

So the whole point is everything evolves , It doesnt stay the same.