Do you guys seriously doubt Robert Bussey's abillity?

[shadow_priest_x]

Bussey only really got strange for me after the RBWI days.

Agreed. I like the guy but I'm not really into what he's doing now. I wish he had stuck with the RBWI and had continued to evolve it. I'm sure a lot of MMA stuff would have been incorporated by now in addition to the techniques that he had already been using. Damn. Would've been awesome.

[Devil]

Ninjer, on top of BB in Kyokushin, Krav Maga and Jujutsu...so I do have a nice rounding of experience.

Despite your vast reservoir of experience, you're missing something if you think it's worth your time to dress up in black jammies and pretend to be a shinobi.

[shadow_priest_x]

I'm not missing your point. You're just wrong. Compliant demonstrations of legit techniques most definitely are NOT proof that what he teaches is a legit style of fighting. Any asshole can learn a technique well enough to demonstrate it on an unresisting opponent. Doesn't mean he's good enough to use it in a fight. And I didn't say he is or isn't Bullshido. I said you're a nutrider for assuming he's a bad ass when there is insufficient evidence to determine that.

Okay. Well maybe you're right. I wouldn't fuck with him though, I'll tell you that.

[Devil]

Okay. Well maybe you're right. I wouldn't fuck with him though, I'll tell you that.

Pussy.

[OniSan81]

Shinobi?

You mean a black gi?

Genbukan is a little different. No ninjas flying around. In general, the Genbukan is known for very tough training and is actually harder, for me, than my Kyokushin days. Secondly, there are many technoques that are excellent in Ninpo, it's the lack of realism in which they are implemented that make so many practioners, in my experience especially in the Bujinkan, so bad.

[shadow_priest_x]

Pussy.

Destroyer of Men's Anal Virginity.

[Feryk]

This is bullshido. This is not a place where compliant drills and third party accounts of bad assery are enough. Bussey might have been, but with no proof that WE CAN SEE, no one is going to jump on the band wagon.

That might seem overly harsh, but as a TMA'er myself, I have come to understand that the only way to cut through the bullshit in MA is to be harsh and direct. Shadow priest x, you shouldn't be expecting anyone here to agree with you because you have no evidence, regardless of how special you thought he was in the 80's.

At best, he's an unverifiable footnote of someone who left Ninjitsu to learn something that worked. Good for him, but that is all it is.

I'll continue to let Sam Browning beat you with BB Magazine's lack of credibility now.

[Devil]

Shinobi?

You mean a black gi?

Genbukan is a little different. No ninjas flying around. In general, the Genbukan is known for very tough training and is actually harder, for me, than my Kyokushin days. Secondly, there are many technoques that are excellent in Ninpo, it's the lack of realism in which they are implemented that make so many practioners, in my experience especially in the Bujinkan, so bad.

Yes, I know. You have t3e r34l ninpo.

[Devil]

Shinobi?

You mean a black gi?

Genbukan is a little different. No ninjas flying around. In general, the Genbukan is known for very tough training and is actually harder, for me, than my Kyokushin days. Secondly, there are many technoques that are excellent in Ninpo, it's the lack of realism in which they are implemented that make so many practioners, in my experience especially in the Bujinkan, so bad.

By the way, what kind of fake-ass ninjer doesn't know what shinobi means?

[Yojimbo1717]

Oh, come on now. Bruce gave a lot of public demonstrations. Say what you will, but I think all evidence points to Bruce being able to hang will all the pro full contact fighters of his day. We're talking about guys like Chuck Norris and Bill Wallace. How would he do against guys like Randy Couture or Tito Ortiz? Well, first off we should probably address the fact that we're talking about heavyweights and light-heavyweights against a bantamweight. (After all, Bruce is on record as being around 135 lbs.) A better analogy would be, how would Bruce do against Faber or Chase Beebe? I don't know . . . but I'd put my money on him.

You're either a troll or retarded. 1970s 'fighter' vs. today's fighters? You mean the ones that are in as good if not way better condition than him? The ones with experience in near-NHB fighting? Successful ones? Sorry, but much like Rickson Gracie, most decent talent today would win. Easily.

[KO'd N DOA]

You've never HEARD of the guy . . . and you're giving me shit? HUH?!?!

EDIT: What he's good at is fucking people up.

I just learned about him today, not sure that you will get interviews with him now after you have dragged his name out of obscurity of the 80s and caused us to contemplate and doubt his serious ability.

Which people? Was it consensual?

[shadow_priest_x]

You're either a troll or retarded. 1970s 'fighter' vs. today's fighters? You mean the ones that are in as good if not way better condition than him? The ones with experience in near-NHB fighting? Successful ones? Sorry, but much like Rickson Gracie, most decent talent today would win. Easily.

I'm going to ignore your shit about being retarded or a troll because I usually come to forums to have real conversations and not get into pissing contests. Personally, I LIKE to have intelligent conversations about MA. I'm not here to bash anyone.

Now, in regard to your question. . . I'm saying that Bruce Lee, being who he is, would naturally adapt with the times. If here were fighting today, then he would include whatever MMA concepts are useful and worthwhile into his repetoire.

The man dedicated his life to the science of fighting. In his day, he created a way of fighting that as comprehensive as it could be at the time. And I don't know why you have to put quotes around the word "fighter." I suppose the only real fighters are the ones around today, right? And I'm guessing in 30 more years when combat has continued to evolve that today's fighters won't be fighters anymore . . . but "fighters." Right?

[Petter]

Bruce Lee didn't actually fight. We refer to people who fought in actual fights as fighters. Simon Byrne was a real fighter, even though he lived rather longer ago than the 70's (by over a century). Bruce Lee, meanwhile, trained in martial arts, but never fought, and as mentioned easlier, Joe Lewis, a fighter who trained with Lee, said explicitly that Lee was not a fighter.

[shadow_priest_x]

Bruce Lee didn't actually fight. We refer to people who fought in actual fights as fighters. Simon Byrne was a real fighter, even though he lived rather longer ago than the 70's (by over a century). Bruce Lee, meanwhile, trained in martial arts, but never fought, and as mentioned easlier, Joe Lewis, a fighter who trained with Lee, said explicitly that Lee was not a fighter.

A number of researched biographies talk about incidents in which he was challenged and accepted the challenge. That's fighting. It may not be RING fighting, but it's fighting. In order to be a fighter do you have to do it professionally or can you simply engage in combat with people?

And no, sorry, I don't have video evidence of this. But then again, I don't have video evidence of the Battle of Waterloo either. That's where journalistic research comes in. I think it's pretty commonly accepted that at least on a large handful of occasions Bruce did actually kick people's asses, especially people within the Chinese community who didn't take too kindly to his methods.

[Yojimbo1717]

Bruce Lee didn't actually fight. We refer to people who fought in actual fights as fighters. Simon Byrne was a real fighter, even though he lived rather longer ago than the 70's (by over a century). Bruce Lee, meanwhile, trained in martial arts, but never fought, and as mentioned easlier, Joe Lewis, a fighter who trained with Lee, said explicitly that Lee was not a fighter.

Exactly.

The sole reason I said troll was because this Bruce Lee blind-faith-thing is a joke. He wasn't the best. He was revolutionary but was not a fighter. His books, movies and 'how he worked the bag' seem to be the only arguments used to express how great he was [as a fighter...which he wasn't]. And even most of the first-hand looks at his training seem sketchy.

Couture and Ali will always be fighters. Why? They competed. In a few decades a lot of what they know will probably be obsolete (this is, of course, once Couture stops competing and training altogether). That's why I mentioned Rickson, a lot of people claim he was the best fighter of all time, or the best grappler, but he never fought the best of the best in the cage/ring and would probably get smashed by decent fighters today (granted, I acknowledge he was and is a great grappler).

You may think he would adapt, but it never happened and won't, so this is really just a pointless argument that won't go anywhere.

Edit:

Part of being the best is fighting the best. He didn't do that.