Do you guys seriously doubt Robert Bussey's abillity?

[Matt Stone]

Anyway, yes, Bussey had been in the Bujinkan but he balked at the Godan test and was ultimately disturbed by the Buddhist elements associated with that School and its members. When Ninjas were big business he was at the head of the line trying to cash in on the market.

I lived in Omaha during the time Bussey was making a name for himself there, first with his ninja academy and later with his RBWI nonsense. I have met him, his partner Rosenbach, and his top student at the time (whose name escapes me; redheaded guy from the video, eventually became an Omaha police officer nicknamed "super cop"). Ultimately not impressed.

Folks may remember the early UFC fight between Maurice (?) Smith and a ninjer. That ninjer was none other than one of Bussey's RBWI clones from Texas. Got his ass handed to him with a quickness by a TKD/Kickboxer. 'Nuff said.

[shadow_priest_x]

I lived in Omaha during the time Bussey was making a name for himself there, first with his ninja academy and later with his RBWI nonsense. I have met him, his partner Rosenbach, and his top student at the time (whose name escapes me; redheaded guy from the video, eventually became an Omaha police officer nicknamed "super cop"). Ultimately not impressed.

Folks may remember the early UFC fight between Maurice (?) Smith and a ninjer. That ninjer was none other than one of Bussey's RBWI clones from Texas. Got his ass handed to him with a quickness by a TKD/Kickboxer. 'Nuff said.

By that logic, you could say, "Oh, I saw that guy . . . what's his name? . . . oh yeah, Royce Gracie . . . he got his ass handed to him by the strength and power of a wrestler. 'Nuff said. That Gracie guy is full of shit."

I'm not sure what kind of response this is going to be here, but I'll go ahead and bring up Steve Jennum. I'm not saying he was a top fighter or anything, but the guy did have skills and if I remember correctly he made short work of a boxer. So I guess not only is Bussey's style effective but it's clearly greater than boxing, right? I think the bottom line is that so much comes down not only to the style, but to the practitioner. As I said before, a job-cross combo is great but only if you can implement it for real.

[Matt Stone]

By that logic, you could say, "Oh, I saw that guy . . . what's his name? . . . oh yeah, Royce Gracie . . . he got his ass handed to him by the strength and power of a wrestler. 'Nuff said. That Gracie guy is full of shit."

I'm not sure what kind of response this is going to be here, but I'll go ahead and bring up Steve Jennum. I'm not saying he was a top fighter or anything, but the guy did have skills and if I remember correctly he made short work of a boxer. So I guess not only is Bussey's style effective but it's clearly greater than boxing, right? I think the bottom line is that so much comes down not only to the style, but to the practitioner. As I said before, a job-cross combo is great but only if you can implement it for real.

Lacking any first hand evidence of Bussey's own ability, the next best thing we have is his ability as an instructor to produce capable fighters.

Jennum won, in my opinion, more because he was fresh and the other fighter had had to go through at least one or two fights prior to getting Jennum as his opponent. Even then it was a more or less hard fought win. The Gracies, even without a fight record of their own, have very rapid wins to support the validity of their skill set.

And you can't base Bussey's skill as a fighter on his also using a combination that everybody else, including crappy non-fighters and Tae Bo-ists, use.

[shadow_priest_x]

I figured I would go ahead and add this to the discussion. As I said, I was previously published in Blackbelt magazine. If any of you guys have a copy of the Aug. 2007 issue then you'll find an article titled "Movies That Inspire" written by a guy named Soren Patrick Xavier. That's me and that's my article. Anyway. . . I later learned about a ninjutsu documentary called "Shinobi Winds" and I was hoping to get a follow up article published so I got an interview with the director, Brandon Alvarez.

Brandon was able to interview Bussey for the film and so he's had greater access to Bussey materials than I have. Here's a clip of my phone interview with him where he talks about Robert Bussey. Take it for what it's worth.

(By the way, as a courtesy to my interviewee, I'm going to go ahead and encourage everyone to visit shinobiwinds.com and check out his documentary. It's a good film.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaKMN3OQpys

[pauli]

jennum/bowen was a first round fight, iirc, so both were fresh. jennum/hackney was in the finals, and hackney had fought earlier in the first round, but his second round fight was royce's towel incident.

[Fitz]

Given the way you speak about him in the interview it sounds, once again, like fanboyism more then anything else.

[PointyShinyBurn]

jennum/bowen was a first round fight, iirc, so both were fresh. jennum/Howard was in the finals, and Howard had fought earlier in the first round, but his second round fight was royce's towel incident.

Fixed.

[shadow_priest_x]

Given the way you speak about him in the interview it sounds, once again, like fanboyism more then anything else.

"Fanboy" is generally a derogatory term. But I would definitely say that I'm a fan. I'm only 26 years old now, but when I was a kid in the 80s and early 90s I got caught up in the ninja craze and Bussey was a prominent figure at that time. He was a hero of sorts in my mind.

I can honestly say though that the reason I REMAINED a fan was because based upon what I have been able to see, I do think Bussey is a solid practitioner and I think he's got the right idea. RBWI in many ways was a sort of MMA precursor. He was about taking what works and using it effectively. When most people were still JUST strikers or JUST grapplers, he was doing it all and recognized that you had to know it all in order to be a complete fighter.

[Sam Browning]

I figured I would go ahead and add this to the discussion. As I said, I was previously published in Blackbelt magazine. If any of you guys have a copy of the Aug. 2007 issue then you'll find an article titled "Movies That Inspire" written by a guy named Soren Patrick Xavier. That's me and that's my article. Anyway. . . I later learned about a ninjutsu documentary called "Shinobi Winds" and I was hoping to get a follow up article published so I got an interview with the director, Brandon Alvarez.

Brandon was able to interview Bussey for the film and so he's had greater access to Bussey materials than I have. Here's a clip of my phone interview with him where he talks about Robert Bussey. Take it for what it's worth.

(By the way, as a courtesy to my interviewee, I'm going to go ahead and encourage everyone to visit shinobiwinds.com and check out his documentary. It's a good film.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaKMN3OQpys

When you see your buddies at BlackBelt Magazine please give them my complements for following Frank Dux and Steven "I'm the CIA" Seagal around unquestionably like puppy dogs.

[shadow_priest_x]

When you see your buddies at BlackBelt Magazine please give them my complements for following Frank Dux and Steven "I'm the CIA" Seagal around unquestionably like puppy dogs.

I'm not familiar with the Steven Seagal thing, but keep in mind that the Dux incident happened along time ago under a different editor.

[Sam Browning]

And they never corrected their mistake or retracted that article. Even though they've had over two decades to do so. Dux still uses it to support his credibility.

So you guys love Mr. Dux. On your knees and bow before your ninjer master!

Oh, and if you caught up with Mr. Seagal in the 1990s he was telling people that he was alternately a SEAL or in the CIA. Both horribly untrue.

Then there were those sexual harassment suits he had to settle out of court.

And the time he challenged everyone pre-UFC 1 and then total pussed out when Bob Wall said he'd take the fight, said Steven "My wife won't let me fight".

[shadow_priest_x]

Also, Bill Wallace is a douche who couldn't hang with a Muay Thai fighter of his day in his prime, which is why he stayed away from them. I don't have evidence of Wallace specifically, but I do have the next best thing. Namely, a champion fighter from the ruleset Wallace fought under (American kickboxing) fighting a Muay Thai fighter. Not sure from when. In any case, here's the fight (it's a long one): http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...77132680635888. You may know that the kickboxing champ Rick Roufus switched to Muay Thai-like rules in years after this fight. Be sure to watch at least into the 3rd round.

Okay, I checked your link out and that was a pretty good fight. I expected it to be a beat down, but I actually thought Roufus did okay considering he kept getting hit with illegal blows. I wouldn't really BLAME the thai fighter though. It's a mismatch. The thai guy is trying to not do what's second nature and the American KB guy is having to deal with foreign rules.

Nonetheless, I would agree that muay thai is a better art than American kickboxing, just as I think kickboxing is a better art than boxing. Why? More tools. Generally, more tools = more effectiveness. With that said, again, a lot of it comes down to the practitioner. There are plenty of American KBs who will beat plenty of MT guys.

[shadow_priest_x]

And they never corrected their mistake or retracted that article. Even though they've had over two decades to do so. Dux still uses it to support his credibility.

So you guys love Mr. Dux. On your knees and bow before your ninjer master!

Oh, and if you caught up with Mr. Seagal in the 1990s he was telling people that he was alternately a SEAL or in the CIA. Both horribly untrue.

Then there were those sexual harassment suits he had to settle out of court.

And the time he challenged everyone pre-UFC 1 and then total pussed out when Bob Wall said he'd take the fight, said Steven "My wife won't let me fight".

First off, not sure what you mean by "you guys." I don't work for Blackbelt. I just had a single freelance article published in the magazine, so I can't speak as to why there has been no retraction.

Bob Young is a fine editor though and I thank God for Blackbelt magazine. It's virtually the only high quality magazine that still caters to the TMA crowd (while also including a lot of MMA stuff as well) without being focused on a single style or group of styles, i.e. Inside Kung Fu, etc.

[Sam Browning]

Ah grasshopper, time for your black belt executive test.

Imagine this wild retard of Ninjers has the financial resources to buy a full page ad in Black Belt Magazine.

Yea!!!!! more ninjer lulz...... - No BS Martial Arts

Do you:

A) Laugh at them.
B) Sell them the space.
C) Sell them the space and write a glowing article about their skills and group.

Ask Bob what he would do.

Which reminds me, after all those years with SCARS is the Bobster going to ever publish that they were only the US NAVY hand to hand fighting system for say 2-3 years before they got fired?

[shadow_priest_x]

Ah grasshopper, time for your black belt executive test.

Imagine this wild retard of Ninjers has the financial resources to buy a full page ad in Black Belt Magazine.

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71224

Do you:

A) Laugh at them.
B) Sell them the space.
C) Sell them the space and write a glowing article about their skills and group.

Ask Bob what he would do.

Which reminds me, after all those years with SCARS is the Bobster going to ever publish that they were only the US NAVY hand to hand fighting system for say 2-3 years before they got fired?

Looks like pretty standard taijutsu to me. I hear a lot of people around here talk shit on it, and I'll be the first to say that I'm not going to go learn it to fight, but it's not hard to tell that taijutsu is very closely related to jujutsu and most of what you see in that vid is jujutsu-esque throws and locks with some weird footwork and strikes.

Not to say I didn't get a kick out of it, though. It IS funny shit.