_ing _un Sucks Month CMA Subforum Linage Version

[It is Fake]

Wing Chun has extremely useful concepts that, for the most part, work. The problem is that 99.99999999 % of schools that apply it fuck it up. That goes for all the self-proclaimed masters and grandmasters (Moy Yat, Leung Ting, Grados, Emin Boztepe, etc.)

Originally Posted by Kungfu_Pete

Fake: There is only one true lineage, and that is Yip Man's. But everyone fucked up on learning his lineage, and voila, that's why we have all these lineages that look like Wing Chun. Remember: there are no lineages, only a lineage.

Originally Posted by Kungfu_Pete
Oh I agree that there are many lineages to WC, but my point is that there is only ONE real lineage. I know it's hard to believe that Yip Man is the sole heir and the one true lineage to Wing Chun. The problem is that even those who claim they teach Yip Man's lineage are doing Wing Chun wrong. Another reason why I know this is because those websites you've shown me show them doing Wing Chun wrong.

Oh he spars 1.5 times a month..........A MONTH.
He also has to hide it from his teacher.

So all you EBMASers and Moy Yaters fuck it up.


That is all.

[Boyd]

Hey, isn't it true there are many ways to get into Heaven?


Having made the obligatory Jack Chick reference, I just want to emphasize again for those joining us late in the game:

Wing Chun has extremely useful concepts that, for the most part, work. The problem is that 99.99999999 % of schools that apply it fuck it up. That goes for all the self-proclaimed masters and grandmasters (Moy Yat, Leung Ting, Grados, Emin Boztepe, etc.)

If you have this ABSOLUTELY AWESOME idea that, by your own admission 99.9999999% of people cannot apply in real life, your idea is not ABSOLUTELY AWESOME or even JUST SORT OF AWESOME. It's like Chunners are the sort of people that would watch Communism ravage Russia, China, Cambodia, Germany, and Cezechoslovakia, and still insist "the principles are sound, you just need to find the right regime."

[Necroth]

Lineage Wars '07 begins.

Yip Man is in the lead, but not for long, as I see Leung Ting coming up from behind! But William Cheung is off to a splendid start as well, roudning out the top three!

And as they round the corner it's Leung Ting, Yip Man, and William Cheung...but who is this? Oh my, here comes that little scrapper Jiu Wan making a run for the lead! Following Wan in fourth is Yuen Chai-Wan and Leung Shum Dit (the progenitor of the ever controversial Weng Shun!)!

Huzzah, the race is drawing tighter as we get deeper in...but oh no, here comes a new competitor. It's...it's...OMG It's Bruce Lee's ghost! And it...appears...as though...he has a million PFYs (if you know what PFY and BOFH are, it is horribly unrelated to the thread, but hilarious) attached firmly to his nuts! Will he win after death?! Could he beat Matt Hughes in his prime?! Learn next time on "Lineage Wars, '07"!

[Dagon Akujin]

That goes for all the self-proclaimed masters and grandmasters (Moy Yat, Leung Ting, Grados, Emin Boztepe, etc.)

Troll.

The guy says that only Yip Man people have t3h r34l. Well, all those people ARE Yip Man people.

[It is Fake]

No he says there is only one linage of wing chun. That anyone outside of YIP man isn't WC.

You guys ruined it.

[Tonuzaba]

No he says there is only one linage of wing chun. That anyone outside of YIP man isn't WC.

You guys ruined it.

There might be more lineages, but...

Did your lineage have fighters winning in THE REAL ILLEGAL ROOFTOP FIGHTS?

No? Then your lineage most probably sucks.

Because it is a scientifically proven fact, that lineages never entering the ROOFTOPS did not prove their concepts and techniques work.

So shut up and get back to making your wood cry (and I ain't talking about priapism here...):pool:

[It is Fake]

There might be more lineages, but...

Did your lineage have fighters winning in THE REAL ILLEGAL ROOFTOP FIGHTS?

No? Then your lineage most probably sucks.

Because it is a scientifically proven fact, that lineages never entering the ROOFTOPS did not prove their concepts and techniques work.

So shut up and get back to making your wood cry (and I ain't talking about priapism here...):pool:

So, that means Choy Li Fut is the real wing chun?

Or is it Hung Gar?

[Necroth]

Hey, due to bad record keeping, Jiu Wan actually has a chance of being an heir of Wing Chun on par with Yip Man, depending on where you go for your information. He purportedly learned from Jiu tong who was "in the same lineage as Yip Man". Not a student of Yip Man, but in the same lineage, ie. taught by the same master. So, Jiu Wan, under KFP's rhetoric, I mean, statements, is a valid wing chun format that is NOT from Yip Man. Furthermore, there are claims such as what follows surrounding Jiu Wan:

"Grandmaster Yip Man, before he passed away, presented Jiu Wan (seen together at right) with a plaque on which was written the four words "Wing Chun Jing Tung" which means "Wing Chun the Pure Tradition." With his skills thus recognized, and teaching his students in a dignified manner, Jiu Wan Sifu had no regrets."

KFP fails at demonstrating that only Yip Man's Wing Chun is teh r34l, which would mean that lineage is a non-issue. So, wing chun must suck across the board regardless of lineage.

And then there's this:

http://www.wcarchive.com/html/sifus/...ifus-other.htm

Interesting read if you're interested in this whole Non-Yip Man thing.

[It is Fake]

Hey, due to bad record keeping, Jiu Wan actually has a chance of being an heir of Wing Chun on par with Yip Man, depending on where you go for your information. He purportedly learned from Jiu tong who was "in the same lineage as Yip Man". Not a student of Yip Man, but in the same lineage, ie. taught by the same master. So, Jiu Wan, under KFP's rhetoric, I mean, statements, is a valid wing chun format that is NOT from Yip Man. Furthermore, there are claims such as what follows surrounding Jiu Wan:

"Grandmaster Yip Man, before he passed away, presented Jiu Wan (seen together at right) with a plaque on which was written the four words "Wing Chun Jing Tung" which means "Wing Chun the Pure Tradition." With his skills thus recognized, and teaching his students in a dignified manner, Jiu Wan Sifu had no regrets."

KFP fails at demonstrating that only Yip Man's Wing Chun is teh r34l, which would mean that lineage is a non-issue. So, wing chun must suck across the board regardless of lineage.

And then there's this:

http://www.wcarchive.com/html/sifus/...ifus-other.htm

Interesting read if you're interested in this whole Non-Yip Man thing.

I already posted four links of non-Yip linage. That's where his whole that is your opinion bullshit started.

Stupid Retard I didn't research those linages. Those aren't my opinions.

[Necroth]

Oi, I must have missed that in the other thread. I must admit I was too busy looking for funny videos and everything KFP said after he started dangling from scrotum hairs was...overlooked. I will now go back and read the interchange.

[It is Fake]

No problem that thread is a mess.

Yip is the most popular linage no question. To tell me that everyone else is doing it wrong is stupid.

If he is older than 12 he is an idiot.

[Necroth]

ah, yes, I looked at those links and they dealt with almost exactly the same lineages I chose for my humour post above. That is funny as I genuinely hadn't looked at your links until now. I picked the Veitnamese and Painted Face kam (Leung Shum Dit) because they are two of the funniest, but Jiu Wan was the one I figured had the best chance of being hard to force into Yip Man lineage as most of the material I found on it stated that Yip Man and Jiu Wan taught at the same time and respected one another...but one was not the other's teacher.

Anyways, I doubt he wants to come in and discuss it. We've already put up info against his point that is hard to counter, so I figure we'll see less of KFP than before.

[It is Fake]

Oh I agree. If you are going to argue be informed that's all I ask.

[Kamon Guy]

Hahaha brilliant post!! Lineage does not matter in any sense of the word. Sifu Kevin Chan (my current teacher) learnt from Sam Kwok and then Ip Chun, but also from other artists, so what is that lineage? If I trained in Kamon and then went to a non-Yip Man lineage and trained what would my lineage be then?

It is certainly nice to have a good background. Most people respect Kevin Chan because they know he is a good fighter (he spent a lot of his youth getting into scraps) and because he is an honest down to earth guy. When I enter tournaments, it is nice to have a name backing you up, but it doesn't mean I am a great fighter (certainly I have lost a few fights recently)

Wing Chun is a great system as it gets you building basic skills like stancework, sensitivity, speed and power. However, you can't end your training by being a close quarter fighter all your life. It is great for pubs and clubs where space closes quickly, but if you get into a streetfigt or if the fight goes to ground you are buggered.


Yip Man is responsible for a lot of stuff - Bruce Lee, ending the wing chun wars and bringing a lot of schools together and producing a good few instructors.
However, it does not make him flawless. He is responsible for William Cheung and Leung Ting...

I understand that Alan Orr was not of yip Man descendancy but I could be wrong. Alan Orr for me is one of the best wing chun practitioners in the UK

[It is Fake]

Yip man didn't end any wars he fostered a truce that flared up after he died.