Originally posted by shmuel
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I remember talking with one of my friends who had just got back from Japan and he mentioned that Nagato demonstrated jumanji on the ground. Most people don't really say anything about the ground. They think the ground is somewhere your opponent ends up after a wrist-lock. -
I thought that Nagato was a respected judoka...Comment
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I have have not heard of the jumonji, ichimonji on teh ground (ground kamaes?)
anywho.. my dojo also does the pressuretraining, and the same type of kata resistance work. we also have,slow sparring, and regular sparring, with or without gloves.... I cant think of anything else right now...:)Comment
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Do you train in a barometric chamber?Originally posted by paneComment
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Is t3h f33ling of being on the ground the same as t3h f33ling of standing taijutsu?Comment
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I'd imagine this means Jumanjii no Kata (the "punch the arm, poke the arm pit, fake for the face" routine in the Kihon Happo taken from Gyokko Ryu) and not simply "applications from keeping your forearms crossed"?Originally posted by VirusComment
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I must say, I've never been told to adapt standing kamae to the ground. In fact we really don't focus on trying to label what we do on the ground as a specific waza or technique. We just look at ways to deal with certain situations. We don't claim to offer a complete ground game as that is not what our dojo is offerening.Originally posted by paneComment
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Who the hell said that groundfighting was about "muscling it out" and "tiring themselves out with strength"? Assuming you know what groundfighting is and then developing ways to counter that assumption is called Crappling. It's about as retarded as the kung fu teacher who told his students to stay in stance against a boxer and let the boxer exhaust himself with all that bouncing around.So practice started with the student and another rolling around muscling it out for position like groundfighters. Nagato watched and laughed for several minutes. After about ten minutes of having them roll around tiring themselves out with strength, Nagato made his comments
In other words, don't go to the ground against a groundfighter? What brilliant advice! Unfortunately it's a little easier said than done. It's like telling someone that the way to make money in stocks is to Buy Low and Sell High.You need to do your own thing -- fight your own fight!
Hmmm. Someone should have told Gerard Gordeau, Fred Ettish, Orlando Wiet and others that they were allowed to still punch and kick while on the ground. Oh wait ... they already tried that."If you're down on the ground like that, you are still in Kamae. See? (Nagato lays down on the ground.) Try to get me. (The student tries to close.) I can still kick you. (Nagato kicks him right in the inside of the thigh, nearly knocking him down.) Don't forget, I can punch and kick.Comment
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[quote=shmuel]
In other words, don't go to the ground against a groundfighter? What brilliant advice! Unfortunately it's a little easier said than done. It's like telling someone that the way to make money in stocks is to Buy Low and Sell High.
HAHAHAHAHA! Buy Low and Sell High.........that was good. Indeed, probably the ninjers making this point have never stand in front of a good takedown artist. Because if they did, the last thing that they would remember would be a human body disappearing from their visual field and then losing their balance and falling to the ground. Specially nowdays with the emphasis on clinch game, even good sprawl technique is not enough (if you are not well versed in every aspect of grappling) to save you from takedown attempts. So, even if you are a ninjer that learned two sprawl movements, if you dont know bjj, judo or wrestling you will still end up on the ground.Comment
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Yeah I here you. I think I froze in panic the first time I was toppled by a single leg takedown. Now I just cry. :tshirt:Originally posted by gladius
Never disregard a good old succesfull sprawl with decent underhooks and a good solid knee to the head...sigh...(*harp plays in background*)Originally posted by gladius
Unless of course you're not attacked by a BJJ/Judo guy *shrugs*Originally posted by gladius
Alas it's not true...I rub my entire body down in raw garlic before I go out...it's the ultimate anti-grapple....
*Though lately I'm meeting a lot of Italian chicksComment
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Rubber Tanto....its you again....how is going?Originally posted by Rubber Tanto
Have you throw a ninja bomb lately? So, you never disregarded a good srawl and underhooks huh? And where the hell you learned those techniques? In Bujinkan? Where exactly those techniques are placed? Between the yari disarms and how to defend against shurikens using a jutte?Comment
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And what you said just proves my point , as this is expressed in previous posts in other threads: YOU CANNOT FIGHT USING BUJINKAN TECHNIQUES! Its not your choice, this is how your body works. Why you dont try to stop takedowns with ura and omote gyakus or any other bullsjinkan technique?
Truth is, if you fight in any non-prearranged way you use MMA techniques, no matter where or what you train. Call it what you want but what you do is probably just bad MMA.Comment
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Why don't you clarify MMA techniques?? At the end of the day, a punch is a punch, and a kick is a kick. Alot of kobudo look a like, but the differences lie in the principles/tactics of achieving victory. My brother is a blue belt BJJ fighter, and I'm a "ninjer" as you put it. I was always taught to use whatever works. Or to put it in baby speech; if your kick happens to look like a shin kick from muay thai (shock horror, no!) then do it. As long as you get out of there without sustaining a beasting.
Me and my brother scrap a lot to learn from each other, and I've taken him down with ura and omote gyaku's before. You don't just grab his hand, twist, and hope for the best. My bro is huge and strong, so you have to do the gyaku when you've removed his strength advantage i.e. by allowing him to move into a space that makes him weak (stretch him out for those who don't understand).Comment
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Finally, I'll be the first to admit that the Bujinkan is full of frauds and jokes; I've seen them with their so called black belts, and their so called "techniques learnt directly from soke" yeah bullshit. Unfortunately, they give a bad name to the art, and make it look a total joke, when I know it works IF applied correctly with a bit of common sense. FFS don't try and twist some dudes arm when he's right in front of you, especially if his arm is the size of your torso.
I don't for one second blame you guys for taking such a negative outlook on the Bujinkan, because I myself get frustrated with some of the bullshit teachings of bullshit teachers; I'm sick of it.
Peace.Comment
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