Effective Bujinkan Training

[Rubber Tanto]

I'm seriously reconsidering going to your throwdown dude.

Do you mean yes you're coming...or no you're not?

[bob]

If you promise to bite me, I'm there.

[Rubber Tanto]

If you promise to bite me, I'm there.

Only if you scream "ninja boy"
:homo:

[rw4th]

An important thing was left out: train against people from other schools and styles. Participate in local amateur grappling and/or MMA competitions to test and validate your approach. You could also host your own competitions with your own rules. Not all students have to do this kind of stuff, but some should in an effort to prevent the inbreeding and predictability that comes from always training against the same people.

[Hedgehogey]

I can only guess, but I think he means he and his training partner start of on the ground then grapple until one gets to successfuly submit the other. If that's not it then I have no fucking idea.

:confused1

That's what I was afraid. Well, it's death by shivering and typhus for him.

[Rubber Tanto]

An important thing was left out: train against people from other schools and styles. Participate in local amateur grappling and/or MMA competitions to test and validate your approach. You could also host your own competitions with your own rules. Not all students have to do this kind of stuff, but some should in an effort to prevent the inbreeding and predictability that comes from always training against the same people.

I agree with the first point, and make a habit of training with people from other styles. Grappling Comps and MMA bouts are a bit hard for me, and probably many others though rw4th, as having kids, a job, a house etc can take up enough time to restrict your martial training as it is.

[rw4th]

I agree with the first point, and make a habit of training with people from other styles. Grappling Comps and MMA bouts are a bit hard for me, and probably many others though rw4th, as having kids, a job, a house etc can take up enough time to restrict your martial training as it is.

I know the feeling, but my point is that you should endeavour to at least have a few people participate to help validate your approach.

[grega]

i've obviously walked into a minefield because I have no idea wtf you guys mean. We were talking about drills - something that we have always done at training is to wrestle until one person gives up. What's the big deal ? The idea of starting in various positions is to isolate particular skills. Starting on the ground in a certain way emphasises jutaijutsu and deemphasises dakentaijutsu. Likewise starting standing up and stopping when the fight goes to the ground will work on striking. What's wrong with that ?

Anyway, the only reason to participate in a conversation with someone i don't know from somewhere far away is to get some ideas that i can use - so i put a few ideas out there. Does anyone have anything useful to say ?

quid pro quo Clarice.

[Hedgehogey]

Starting on the ground for you emphasizes being a huge retard who probably can't even shrimp, bump, or break posture.

[Rubber Tanto]

Starting on the ground for you emphasizes being a huge retard who probably can't even shrimp, bump, or break posture.

Um I'm not sure what you mean here Hedge. It depeneds on what you are doing. I am a complete BJJ noob but at the first throwdown Johnny S was showing us some stuff and when showing us it was started from him on his back and the other guy from side control...I thought thats what the other guy is trying to say...just starting from an isolated position...

By the way...I did ask for people to add constructive critiques and advice on this thread...all you're doing is talking smack...how does that help?

[Rubber Tanto]

I know the feeling, but my point is that you should endeavour to at least have a few people participate to help validate your approach.

Hence why I love throwdowns

[Virus]

i've obviously walked into a minefield because I have no idea wtf you guys mean. We were talking about drills - something that we have always done at training is to wrestle until one person gives up. What's the big deal ? The idea of starting in various positions is to isolate particular skills. Starting on the ground in a certain way emphasises jutaijutsu and deemphasises dakentaijutsu. Likewise starting standing up and stopping when the fight goes to the ground will work on striking. What's wrong with that ?

I think he's trying to say that since the bujinkan doesn't teach ground-game, your groundfighting is probably at the level of school-boys who watch UFC.

[grega]

In many years of reading martial arts magazines i think i only found a few useful ideas. I guess that reading stuff on the internet is the same. Nick i only posted here because i found that my name had been "used in vain" (by you) in a search. I didn't realize that bullshido.com is actually BJJisthebest.com ! It seems the only thing useful I'll be able to find here is for someone to recommend a good BJJ school (or two) in Sydney for me to check out for myself. Good luck with it all guys. Greg

[Virus]

We aren't really BJJisthebest.com, more like certain training methods are the best and BJJ happens to be an example of that method. I think some people are just skeptical of pure bujinkan groundwork, because such material isn't included as standard to my knowledge.

[Fitz]

We aren't really BJJisthebest.com, more like certain training methods are the best and BJJ happens to be an example of that method. I think some people are just skeptical of pure bujinkan groundwork, because such material isn't included as standard to my knowledge.

If the Ten Chi Jin Ryaku No Maki is taken as "standard" then there is very little groundwork beyond joint-lock pins from kneeling.

This isn't to say that some Bujinkan teachers haven't included ground applications. Sean Askew, with Hatsumi's blessing, folded his Kosen Judo experience into his Bujinkan teaching and did a good job of showing the need for training in this range. Also in speaking with people who trained in Ireland with Brian McCarthy when he was still within the Bujinkan there was an interest at that time in groundfighting as a part of their training.

Hatsumi himself seems to have an interest in the topic based upon the information Sean Askew published and more then a few Bujinkan tachers have suggested that people learn groundfighting, including crosstraining. This hasn't had much impact on most training groups as of yet.