Exploring the Ninja

[nsearch]

Ok , so here is my question, in your opinion is Bujinkan worthless because of the trainning method's ie no resistance/ lunge punches etc.. ?


Or is Bujinkan worthless because of the tech's ?


And please no bull-shit awnsers like ...both haha, im serious i would like to honestly know
where this comes from.

Do you think there is no way someone who trains within this sytem could be effective in a real altercation , if they trained with the same intensity that mma and bjj ?


After all it is Ninja's suck month and i would like to know why.



P.s June is kill everyone who is not a ninja month :violent1:

[MrMcFu]

It's unrealistic training that is the problem. Pressure test your stuff.

[nsearch]

It's unrealistic training that is the problem. Pressure test your stuff.

Ok then awnser me this, how in the name of GOD was this so effective for so many years and battle tested, i mean was everybody back in the day lunge punching and using no pressure ?


Why have so many law enforcement agencies trained and used this method ?

[Lefty]

My friend has a book put out by a ninjutsu place, its serious but its full of silly ninja techniques which just wouldnt work. So I'd say both of the above.

I agree with MrMcFu in that if the techniques were pressure tested they could be modified to be more effective so they'd have a snowball's chance in hell of working. But when you see people teaching to catch a sword blade with their hands you know there's a problem. In a lot of these photos people just seem very off balance and wide open. So their correct form isnt based on practical application.

[nsearch]

My friend has a book put out by a ninjutsu place, its serious but its full of silly ninja techniques which just wouldnt work. So I'd say both of the above.

I agree with MrMcFu in that if the techniques were pressure tested they could be modified to be more effective so they'd have a snowball's chance in hell of working. But when you see people teaching to catch a sword blade with their hands you know there's a problem. In a lot of these photos people just seem very off balance and wide open. So their correct form isnt based on practical application.

While i do see the absurdity in training to catch a sword period. In the times in which they lived that was a good idea to consider that as a last resort option , and that is kind one of my hang up's i guess, is that i see the fight's they had to endure and it didnt get to hand to hand combat until the shit had completely hit the fan and they were no longer armed, im sure they put some thought into this when chin yang dang came home in a few pieces.

[Virus]

Actually the answer is "both" and it's not a bullshit answer either. Go ahead and train it with aliveness and see how much it resembles kickboxing and judo. Then quit your school and do actual kickboxing and judo.

[nsearch]

Actually the answer is "both" and it's not a bullshit answer either. Go ahead and train it with aliveness and see how much it resembles kickboxing and judo. Then quit your school and do actual kickboxing and judo.

Seriously, who gives a fuck about kickboxing, the same way that bjj guys say to us, do we think we are the only ones who know how to jab a finger in someones eye,
do you seriously think that we cant throw shink kicks, i cant remeber the last time i was even near a bag and didnt throw shin kicks.

Elbows ...yep got those to , nice and pointy and if iam close enough to blast a face /throat/anything i can get..its going in that direction !

[kwoww]

Another reason why ninjutsu sucks: the bullshit history.

[Fitz]

Ok then awnser me this, how in the name of GOD was this so effective for so many years and battle tested, i mean was everybody back in the day lunge punching and using no pressure ?

This one is really easy.

You ever been in that battle?

If not then your art isn't battle tested.

If someone trained with Ali that doesn't make them a Championship boxer.

If someone trained in an art derived from battle field conditions that doesn't mean that they're capable in battle.

The historic usability of your art is meaningless if you yourself cannot use it.

Why have so many law enforcement agencies trained and used this method ?

Most of those who did included methods of pressure testing their training, in and out of their formal training. Ask Jack Hoban about the methods he uses when teaching USMC troups.

[Lefty]

While i do see the absurdity in training to catch a sword period. In the times in which they lived that was a good idea to consider that as a last resort option , and that is kind one of my hang up's i guess, is that i see the fight's they had to endure and it didnt get to hand to hand combat until the shit had completely hit the fan and they were no longer armed, im sure they put some thought into this when chin yang dang came home in a few pieces..

Heh, my 5 year old son has quite a few fake swords, cricket bats and the like he likes to hit me with. I cant catch his sword strikes between both palms the way this book said to do it more than maybe 10% or 20% of the time, and this is a rubber/foam sword and a little kid (although revved up :new_2guns). My view is this ninja approach of clapping a sword blade is not going to work due to the power of the strike if not its incredible speed. If it doesn't work to defend against small children then there's a big problem.

[nsearch]

This one is really easy.

You ever been in that battle?

If not then your art isn't battle tested.

If someone trained with Ali that doesn't make them a Championship boxer.

If someone trained in an art derived from battle field conditions that doesn't mean that they're capable in battle.

The historic usability of your art is meaningless if you yourself cannot use it.



Most of those who did included methods of pressure testing their training, in and out of their formal training. Ask Jack Hoban about the methods he uses when teaching USMC troups.

This is actually my point, the system is combat worthy, of course its up to the man, just like any other art, im not saying that we dont have our goof-balls, my instructor for one only teaches the original tech, then he shows us how its going to look in today's world, hooks etc...

[nsearch]

Heh, my 5 year old son has quite a few fake swords, cricket bats and the like he likes to hit me with. I cant catch his sword strikes between both palms the way this book said to do it more than maybe 10% or 20% of the time, and this is a rubber/foam sword and a little kid (although revved up :new_2guns). My view is this ninja approach of clapping a sword blade is not going to work due to the power of the strike if not its incredible speed. If it doesn't work to defend against small children then there's a big problem.

once again, im not talking about that comic book bull-shit, im talking hand to hand. and just for the record, how many bjj or mma techs are good for stopping swords haha

[MrMcFu]

Ok then awnser me this, how in the name of GOD was this so effective for so many years and battle tested, i mean was everybody back in the day lunge punching and using no pressure ?

Why have so many law enforcement agencies trained and used this method ?

1. How do you know it was effective and battle tested?
2. Which ones train in ninjitsu?

[Lefty]

once again, im not talking about that comic book bull-shit, im talking hand to hand. and just for the record, how many bjj or mma techs are good for stopping swords haha

But they dont claim to be able to show moves that block sword strikes.

This guy is an expert in ninjutsu:

http://www.warrior-concepts-online.c...ey-miller.html

Maybe ask him how it works :laughing1

[Virus]

Seriously, who gives a fuck about kickboxing, the same way that bjj guys say to us, do we think we are the only ones who know how to jab a finger in someones eye,
do you seriously think that we cant throw shink kicks, i cant remeber the last time i was even near a bag and didnt throw shin kicks.

Elbows ...yep got those to , nice and pointy and if iam close enough to blast a face /throat/anything i can get..its going in that direction !

The difference the kickboxer can do them well, against other people that can do, and defend them well. I'll wager that if you walk into a kickboxing club and start using bujinkan shin kicks the coach will see mistakes in your form. I hope you don't think that you have unlocked the kickboxing in the taijutsu?