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    #46
    Very similiar to the Balintawak "full power" 12 strikes except the 3 & 4 strikes in Balintawak are to the ribs/elbow area.

    This thread has really payed off. Who knew there were so many FMA guys willing to share here. We have to keep this forum busy, maybe some day we can convince Phrost to give us our own forum and quit lumping us in with Kajukenbo and kempo.

    Anyone else notice kempo, kajukenbo, and kali forum = kkk forum? Probly just a coincidence right? Or maybe phrost is one of those nazi zombies?

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      #47
      Originally posted by jspeedy View Post

      This thread has really payed off. Who knew there were so many FMA guys willing to share here. We have to keep this forum busy, maybe some day we can convince Phrost to give us our own forum and quit lumping us in with Kajukenbo and kempo.
      Yeah, and we have a lot of instructors, competitors, and a full dog brother on this forum! A wealth of knowledge!
      Combatives training log.

      Gezere: paraphrase from Bas Rutten, Never escalate the level of violence in fight you are losing. :D

      Drum thread

      Pavel Tsatsouline: kettlebell workouts give you “cardio without the dishonour of aerobics”.

      "Disliking someone is not evidence of wrongdoing or malfeasance or even bias." --Dung Beatles

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        #48
        Originally posted by jspeedy View Post
        Very similiar to the Balintawak "full power" 12 strikes except the 3 & 4 strikes in Balintawak are to the ribs/elbow area.
        When I did Modern Arnis, 3 and 4 were as you mentioned (but then again Remy Presas learned Balintawak, so hardly surprising).

        Kendalguro - a little more clarification about Traditional Presas Style Arnis? Is this different from Modern Arnis? Kombatan? Or are we talking about a different Presas?

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          #49
          I did a seminar over the weekend on the Queen Mary, with several notable FMA masters (Marc Lawrence, Leo Fong, Stephen Dowd, Felix Roiles, GM Babao, Bradford Namahoe and Darren Tibon). I was exposed to quite a few styles (balite, serrada etc), but for the most part, they were using a simple 5 angle system. Wasn't sure if they were all the same, or if they were just doing that to illustrate concepts in a way that was relatable. Generally, they were doing
          1. high forehand
          2. high backhand
          3. mid forehand
          4. mid backhand
          5. sok sok/thrust

          The Bahala Na folks were doing a similar one, but it went
          1. high forehand
          2. low backhand
          3. low forehand (low to high)
          4. high backhand
          5. thrust

          I liked the flow of this pattern, even though my own training was making me want to do high backhand for 3 and chop straight down for 5.

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            #50
            Man! I want to live somewhere where cool stuff happens!
            Combatives training log.

            Gezere: paraphrase from Bas Rutten, Never escalate the level of violence in fight you are losing. :D

            Drum thread

            Pavel Tsatsouline: kettlebell workouts give you “cardio without the dishonour of aerobics”.

            "Disliking someone is not evidence of wrongdoing or malfeasance or even bias." --Dung Beatles

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              #51
              Originally posted by Permalost View Post
              for the most part, they were using a simple 5 angle system. Wasn't sure if they were all the same, or if they were just doing that to illustrate concepts in a way that was relatable. Generally, they were doing
              1. high forehand
              2. high backhand
              3. mid forehand
              4. mid backhand
              5. sok sok/thrust

              The Bahala Na folks were doing a similar one, but it went
              1. high forehand
              2. low backhand
              3. low forehand (low to high)
              4. high backhand
              5. thrust

              I liked the flow of this pattern, even though my own training was making me want to do high backhand for 3 and chop straight down for 5.
              I've found that in general, styles that are Visayan or are heavily influenced by Visayan styles use the former as their first five angles, while styles that are from Luzon or are heavily influenced by styles from Luzon use some variation of the latter.

              Originally posted by jspeedy View Post
              Anyone else notice kempo, kajukenbo, and kali forum = kkk forum? Probly just a coincidence right? Or maybe phrost is one of those nazi zombies?
              KKK is the abbreviation for Kataas-taasan Kagalang-galangan Katipunan ng mga Anak ng Bayan, also known just as the Katipunan, the society that organized the rebellion against Spain; I think of this as our forum already, though it would be nice to have our own.

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                #52
                Originally posted by tim_stl View Post
                KKK is the abbreviation for Kataas-taasan Kagalang-galangan Katipunan ng mga Anak ng Bayan, also known just as the Katipunan, the society that organized the rebellion against Spain; I think of this as our forum already, though it would be nice to have our own.
                Here's a pic with that KKK flag in the background:

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                  #53
                  I got to train with my old guro over the weekend, and instead of the twelve angles he taught me ten years back, he went with the first five-angle system there. It is nice and simple to get in the groove of.

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                    #54
                    No its the same Presas,
                    the question was about 12 strike patterns.
                    Remey and Ernesto both referred to the 12 strike pattern as the "traditional style"
                    very similiar to Balintawak, however, I was told the style that particular numbering system came from was called "Numerado"

                    There was a time that both Remey and Ernesto used the term Modern Arnis, Ernesto modified his system and called in Kombatan.

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by KendalGuro View Post
                      No its the same Presas,
                      the question was about 12 strike patterns.
                      Remey and Ernesto both referred to the 12 strike pattern as the "traditional style"
                      very similiar to Balintawak, however, I was told the style that particular numbering system came from was called "Numerado"
                      When you say #3 and #4 are at 45 degrees, that's a downward strike, I presume? And what about strikes going side to side/banda y banda?

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Permalost View Post
                        Here's a pic with that KKK flag in the background:
                        Interesting piece of history; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katipunan . But I assume that it's just a coincidence that we are the kajukenbo, kenpo,and kali forum and there happens to have been revolutionary Filipino group called the KKK . Surely this site isn't that well planned out?

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by jspeedy View Post
                          Interesting piece of history; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katipunan . But I assume that it's just a coincidence that we are the kajukenbo, kenpo,and kali forum and there happens to have been revolutionary Filipino group called the KKK . Surely this site isn't that well planned out?
                          Just a coincidence - I thought it was a funny one, since you said it in the same post as saying we should get our own forum. It's fitting.

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                            #58
                            these basic strikes are not a complete list, banda y banda, ocho ocho, otso otso and la rompita were considered alternative strikes. Like I said this was the old way of describing and numbering.
                            The modern arnis and kombatan numbering systems are more inclusive of the alternative strikes.

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Hanniballistic View Post
                              I still use the old Inosanto system...out of ... a desire not to get my head caved in by hearing "angle 8" and blocking the wrong line. [/IMG]
                              Over the weekend, I was throwing off the drills sometimes because our angle 5 is a straight down strike, while in the other styles its supposed to be a thrust to the abdomen (which is our #6).

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