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    #31
    Originally posted by Goddels View Post
    When explained to me, the Tapado strikes were designed to strike the opponent's weapon and then "drainpipe" their way down the shaft to strike the hand if hand contact was not made by the first strike.
    Yeah, he demonstrates a little of that first, having Crafty holding a tapado stick, and then correcting the angle he's holding it at, so that his strike wouldn't funnel into Crafty's hand.

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      #32
      We use the Illustrisimo 12 angles mentioned above by Wikidbounce. I prefer this style as the focus is on the angle, not the part of the body.

      An angle 1 (Forehand diagonal down strike) can be performed to the temple, jaw, clavicle, arm, chest. Anywhere on the line.

      Diesel_TKE, what kind of FMA do you do. The names for your angles are all Japanese, have you incorporated FMA strikes into JMA?

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        #33
        Originally posted by k_raben View Post

        Diesel_TKE, what kind of FMA do you do. The names for your angles are all Japanese, have you incorporated FMA strikes into JMA?
        It's not an FMA per se. It is a blend of a few different styles. But JMA was my coach's primary art. Dog Brother system is very prominently incorporated throughout.
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          #34
          Originally posted by Permalost View Post
          In the arnis system I do, the basic 12 are:
          1- diagonal forehand to left temple
          2- diagonal backhand to knee
          3- diagonal backhand to right temple
          4- diagonal forehand to knee
          5- vertical downward to crown
          6- sok sok/thrust to torso

          the first 6 are the primary strikes, but there's also
          7- horizontal backhand across throat
          8- dragging forehand diagonal downward across torso
          9- backhand to knee
          10- horizontal forehand across throat
          11- backhand vertical whip
          12- backhand thrust
          Oh, hey, those are the twelve I learned a long time back. What system is that?

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            #35
            Originally posted by LThornton View Post
            Oh, hey, those are the twelve I learned a long time back. What system is that?
            Well I study Babao arnis, which is sort of a mix of a couple systems. My teacher learned Batangas baston first from his dad, and went on to study a bunch of martial arts, including Cacoy Doce Pares and Kali under Mel Lopez, but honestly I'm not exactly sure where the particular 12 basic strikes we use came from.

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              #36
              Neat. Babao arnis is what I learned (for a short time, ten years ago). My instructor never explained anything about the history of it to me. Actually, I think the only place I saw the name of the system was on the flier that got me in.

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                #37
                Originally posted by LThornton View Post
                Neat. Babao arnis is what I learned (for a short time, ten years ago). My instructor never explained anything about the history of it to me. Actually, I think the only place I saw the name of the system was on the flier that got me in.
                Interesting. Who was your teacher? I study under Grandmaster Narrie, so I've probably seen your teacher's name on the list on the wall in his garage.

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                  #38
                  Edward Cabarles. Funnily enough, at the time, I never learned his last name, but I tracked him down a couple months ago, and he's going to come out to my school as a guest instructor in a couple weeks, which I'm pretty excited about.

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                    #39
                    At my Pencak Silat/Kali classes we have 11 basic angles.

                    Silat:







                    Angle 7- straight thrust pointing upwards into the breadbasket





                    These are done with the stick for us. However, with a knife, we made some changes that seemed to make more sense to us at my school. For example, Angle 10 became a thrust to the throat while grabbing the back of the neck, and Angle 11 became either a straight upwards thrust into the perennial region or became another thrust for the femoral artery on the leg.

                    My teacher always says though, as his teacher told him, the final one is more of an "exercise angle" to perform for precision. In reality of sparring if you drop to that kneeling position you are at risk to begin eating a barrage of strikes, from not only the sticks but also the knees, elbows, etc,, depending on how mad you probably made that person you hit with the stick :gtroll:



                    My question is do any of you change your angles in terms of the weapon you wield in the drill? The 11 I listed at the top were done with a stick or long blade. For a knife I find that the two modifications work better (atleast for me.)

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by drizzt777 View Post
                      My question is do any of you change your angles in terms of the weapon you wield in the drill? The 11 I listed at the top were done with a stick or long blade. For a knife I find that the two modifications work better (atleast for me.)
                      Angles, no. Targets, yes.

                      My inclination is that if you have to change your angles when you change weapons, then the angles are too specific. Then again, I suppose that comes down to the purpose of angles in your system.

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                        #41
                        I still use the old Inosanto system, although obviously I will adjust to whoever I train with out of (a) respect and (b) a desire not to get my head caved in by hearing "angle 8" and blocking the wrong line.....

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by drizzt777 View Post
                          My question is do any of you change your angles in terms of the weapon you wield in the drill? The 11 I listed at the top were done with a stick or long blade. For a knife I find that the two modifications work better (atleast for me.)[/SIZE][/FONT]
                          We do the low knee shots with the stick as attacks to the ribs when practicing daga.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by tim_stl View Post
                            Angles, no. Targets, yes.

                            My inclination is that if you have to change your angles when you change weapons, then the angles are too specific. Then again, I suppose that comes down to the purpose of angles in your system.
                            I re-read this today and realize I put "angles" where I meant target. Thank you for catching that for me. I honestly meant that. I wrote this out at work and it was a long day yesterday. Yes, I was wondering about the change of targets due to weapon as I had mentioned it in regards to the knife vs stick. Obviously you would want to achieve maximum efficiency with whatever weapon you are wielding.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by drizzt777 View Post
                              My question is do any of you change your angles in terms of the weapon you wield in the drill? The 11 I listed at the top were done with a stick or long blade. For a knife I find that the two modifications work better (atleast for me.)[/SIZE][/FONT]
                              It depends how you use the 12. If is just a way of mapping all the angles like the clock face, star, or some other univsal pattern, go for it.
                              However, some patterns have other priorities, as listed earlier in the thread. If that's the case, than it might be more appropriate to use a different pattern/map/basic 12/abecadario/template/targeting chain for the weapon. There's a balance between spending too much time learning different 12s (becoming a stamp collector) and religiously sticking with one pattern (square-peg-in-round-hole thinking).
                              There are advantages to both approach.

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                                #45
                                Traditional Presas Style Arnis
                                1 - 45 degree strike to opponents’ left temple (head)
                                2 - 45 degree strike to opponents’ right temple
                                3 - 45 degree strike to opponents’ left shoulder
                                4 - 45 degree strike to opponents’ right shoulder
                                5 - Palm up thrust to opponents’ stomach
                                6 - Right hand thrust to opponents’ left chest
                                7 - Right hand thrust to opponents’ right chest
                                8 - 45 degree strike to opponents’ right knee
                                9 - 45 degree strike to opponents’ left knee
                                10 - Right hand thrust to opponents’ left eye
                                11 - Right hand thrust to opponents’ right eye
                                12 - Vertical Strike down to opponents’ head

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