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  • Sunkiss
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    LOL Noob 10 yrs old DVD's. Might as well burn it! LMAO

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  • Sunkiss
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    Wow. I didn't even knew abt all this info. But I got a question to Stringfellow. Did you had to sign a contract with Fang shen do when you joint? I didnt and just left one day no question ask and I trained there for a year.

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  • andrewa
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    This info I'm providing concerns the so-called MMA event that two FSD'ers participated in sometime in 2003. This story was covered quite extensively on the original FSD thread and my goal here is not to rehash it. However some of the links that contained valuable info on this event no longer work and therefore I'm re-printing them here as a resource for FSD historians. The website in question is mixedmartialarts.com (mma underground).

    The posts below are from two threads about FSD and relate specifically to the 'MMA' event. I've reproduced them in the order they appeared.

    2/23/04
    Have any Fang Shen Do guys competed in MMA or even any grappling tournaments. How have these guys done against trained fighters as opposed to "street" fighters?

    2/23/04 6:29 PM
    Sled Dog
    Actually, two FSD guys fought in the WECF shows in Montreal. They did not look that great, but at least they tried.

    2/24/04 6:09 PM
    forreal
    Does anyone know the names of the FSD'ers who fought, who their opponents were, how long the fight was, and how it ended? I couldn't find any WECF info on the net.

    3/6/04 1:07 PM
    Sled Dog
    It was called the WECF, World Extreme Combat federation. It is run by Fernand Morneau. He was a teacher of Ali Nestor Charles who is the promoter of the UGC.

    4/24/06 2:31 AM
    Sled Dog
    They claim to teach Kali or FMA which they absolutely don't know. I have been told (by a former student) that they got it from video tapes.
    They have a root in Wing Chun back to James Demille though he now disavows knowledge of them. They were affiliated with him, back some time ago, but then he put a disclaimer on his web site about them.

    Very commercially oriented. Money first then training.

    I saw a couple of their students at an MMA event a few years ago (WECF in Montreal) and they were horrible. One won because his opponent was even worse that he was, the other was beaten soundly.

    Like all things, buyer beware.

    4/24/06 1:52 PM
    MTG
    Hey Sled Dog (okay its a slow day) I just finished reading the whole thread and these guys hint very seriously that the guys they entered into MMA fought and won.
    Any more info on that event? Was it MMA?

    MTG

    4/25/06 1:20 AM
    Sled Dog
    MTG The MMA event was run by a group known as WECF headed by Fernand Morneau. He was Charles Ali Nestor's teacher a while back. His place on Papineau in Montreal seems to be closed when I drive by.

    The level did not seem to be that high (compared with the other shows in this area) The FSD guys were god awful bad, but as I said before, one did win. It occured at the same arena in Laval as the last TKO show. The two definitely did not win.

    4/25/06 1:55 PM
    MTG
    Sled Dog, was it MMA rules and gloves? The Bullshido thread has them in Boxing Gloves and Shin Guards (not to mention the ever popular MMA pony tail). Thanks in advance.

    MTG

    4/25/06 7:55 PM
    Sled Dog
    MTG. It was actual MMA with gloves, the commision etc. One smaller guy and one quite large guy.

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  • Askari
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    Enroll in their BJJ classes then. It'll get you started with lower pressure.

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  • Student1980
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    Thanks Askari, Kingston is a little closer than Ottawa, so its not that bad. I'd love to find something close that has classes every night and something a little more traditional (but effective) than MMA. Having no martial arts experience, jumping stright into the MMA crowd can be a bit intimidating.

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  • Askari
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    If Kingston is an easy commute for you, try this club out:

    http://www.martialartsplanet.ca/

    They have a very good rep, and a kids program.

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  • Student1980
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    Hey guys thanks a lot for doing all the leg work and getting this information out. A Patenaude's recently opened here and I'm looking into finding a style for myself and 11 year old step-son. I was considering "Fang Shen"....until now.

    My problem is that I live in the Brockville (where the most recent Patenaude's opened) area and their isn't much on tap around here without making the 1 hour drive to Ottawa a few times a week. I've spent the last days researching various forms and schools but I'm still lost in the wilderness. Since some of you seem to be in the Ottawa/Kingston area, would any of you be able to endorse a few schools of quality?

    Thanks again.

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  • GTBurns
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    Movies

    Originally posted by nvrBit
    In addition to the Anthony Robbins style business practices it seems that movie-making is also on Patenaude's plate.

    Check out this little gem that has Jacques Patenaude and Martin Patenaude listed as Executive Producers.

    http://www.painkiller-movie.com/

    From the production quality and look of the actors this looks like it will be one bad film.

    His production company is Red Dragon Films and the link takes you to the same page as fangshendo.com, learnkung-fu.com and his other URLs.

    I wonder if Patenaude is offering 'special' students an opportunity to 'invest' in this blockbuster?

    The female lead, Anna Jaeger, looks hot. Too bad it appears she is knocked off early in the film (hence the 'revenge' plot).

    nvrBit
    I know of people who are real Martial Artists who also do fight training and help make indie films, but Patenaude looks like a total fraud who is also wrapped up into scams as well. Tony Robbins, Melaecua, Lifewave are all scams as well. Two of them a MLM selling schemes that hock a really dubious or just low quality product. LIke FSD!

    I wonder how long it will be before Jaques films a PORNO.

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  • andrewa
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    This was already posted on the FSD II thread but I thought it would be appropriate to put here.
    I found this in an article from the Ottawa Citizen dated April 27, 1990.

    "Two decades of training has paid off for martial artist Jacques Patenaude, who became si-bok last month at a convention of the International Wing Chun Do Association in Seattle.

    The title means he is senior to other instructors in the association."

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  • Askari
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    Originally found on http://www.martialinfo.com/articles/...view.asp?i=234 posted here in case it ever disappears.

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  • Doctor X
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    Is it not always?

    --J.D.

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  • andrewa
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    Now here's something interesting to spice up the weekend. I was actually searching the term "James Demile" when I came across two articles in The Ottawa Citizen that concerned Mr. Patenaude (and James Demile).

    The first article is dated Oct 7, 1985 and concerns some auditions that Mr. Demile was running in Ottawa for a movie trilogy about Bruce Lee. The auditions were held at the "Ottawa Wing Chun Do Club". The article states "Demile decided to hold auditions in Ottawa when he came to the city to meet potential investors for the first movie, which he hopes to release in 1987 at a cost of $1.6million".

    The second article is dated Aug 3, 1989 is basically a human interest story about Patenuade. What is interesting here is the article says "Patenaude started his school in Ottawa in 1979 after studying for four years in Seattle under James Demile, a former student of Lee's. Patenaude has invested $30,000 in a film Demile hopes to produce on Lee's early years. The film has been in the casting stage for four years."

    I suspect that whatever falling-out occured between these two was business/money related.

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  • andrewa
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    Originally posted by dictionary69
    Wow you guys are looking at some pretty old stuff and you should check your info before posting on here about stuff like that. There had to be alot of dust on that tape cause that is over 10 years old. You should get out more I guess. Is it just me or this page getting very lame. Cheers
    It's interesting that you decided to 're-activate' this thread. Before you wrote the nonsense above the last post was over a month ago. And you're right we should get out more but since the vast majority of contributors to this forum work full-time or go to school/college/univeristy full-time we just don't have the time, as you obviously do, to major in the true, unabridged history of FSD.

    Since you're now following this thread maybe you can help answer the plethora of questions directed towards FSD management which to date they refused to answer.

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  • Krackie
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    Dic said:
    Wow you guys are looking at some pretty old stuff and you should check your info before posting on here about stuff like that. There had to be alot of dust on that tape cause that is over 10 years old. You should get out more I guess. Is it just me or this page getting very lame. Cheers

    I said:
    Does this mean that anything JP has taught in the past is ineffective or BS? If the answer is yes, it begs the question "Why wouldn't it be the same for anything he teaches now - is it that different, other than name?" As far as I can tell it is still incomplete and ripped-off WCD, with all the benefits of a cult.

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  • n00b
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    So sad.

    Speaking of history, if I was looking to remove any FSD DVDs I happened to own from my collection, would anyone want to give them a good home?

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