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    Originally posted by Rick the Ripper
    Ok here is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Dog shit? Really?! Your arguments must be ridiculously weak if you have to refer to grade 2 poo poo jokes. I may be 16 but I'm a hell of a lot more mature that that. I can guarantee you that dogshit is NOT part of FSD in any way and yet it is mentioned hundreds of times in these bullshit forums. And yes, for the record I realized before I wrote my initial argument that you guys are impossible to reason with and I have no chance of winning this argument, I just felt the need to put my two cents worth in.
    No you came on here like a petulent child who's toy has been taken away. People posting on these threads have underwear older then you, let alone how long they've been training.

    You'll learn at some point (likely after trying FSD in a real fight) that starting a conversation with a blast of swearing and accusation generally gets you punked.

    The Dog Shit sniffing as a part of Fang Shen Do has been posted about by individuals who were actually there for the event. That makes their posts direct evidence of the activity. Since several posters have noted that they were there we can surmise that this was in fact a true event.

    Now if you had been there for the poo sniffing you would be better able to control your version of reality and deny the existence of this thread.

    My only recommendation to you is to come back to this board in about 10 or 15 years (you know, as an adult) and re-read your posts. Cause those posts are still going to be there. ... ....

    Alternatively, ask your mom to read what you wrote and see what she says. If you wont let your mom read it, who's the pussy now?
    "Sifu, I"m niether - I'm a fire dragon so don't fuck with me!"

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      Part of noblesse oblige is the responsibilty to educate the Less Fortunate.

      Originally posted by Rick the Ripper
      Ok here is EXACTLY what I'm talking [Sic--Ed.] about.
      This proves a written medium.

      Dog shit?
      Curious descent into the vulgar. "Measur'd in manner and speech," I prefer'd "canine excrement."

      Yet do those infractions prove minor to the continuation:

      Really?! Your arguments must be ridiculously weak if you have to refer to grade 2 poo poo jokes.
      Notice the failure to rebut the descriptions given by FSD members. Instead, he attempts to Poison the Well. I am sure that fallacious attempt did not go unnoticed by the Noble Readership, but we cannot expect this Exemplar of the Great Unwashed to appreciate logic.

      I may be 16 but I'm a hell of a lot more mature that that.
      Evidence suggests otherwise. Let us "review the catechism," so to write:
      • The Boy:
        1. Initiated conversation with a screed of invective.
        2. Has made empty threats.
        3. Has failed to rebut the criticisms.
        4. Has indeed acknowledged the validity of the criticisms.
        5. Exhibits the emotional control of one ravaged by Kluver-Bucy.


      Quod erat demonstrandum.

      I can guarantee you that dogshit is NOT part of FSD in any way and yet it is mentioned hundreds of times in these bullshit forums.
      Ipse dixit. Notice the "hilarious" Well Poisoning pun. Nevertheless, required recognition of Rover's redulent rectal remains has been attested by a number of witnesses. Indeed, this Boy conceeds the attestations.

      As a rebutal, he appeals to his . . . his . . . what?

      Honor? He has exhibited no honor.

      Trustworthyness? His behavior invalidates it.

      In conclusion it seems he cannot move beyond a simple Poisoning the Well:

      And yes, for the record [Whose record?--Ed.] I realized before I wrote my initial argument that you guys are impossible to reason with. . . .
      Should the Boy stumble over reason and not rupture anything important, he may construct a valid argument. Otherwise, he has entered a duel of claighmores armed only with his toothbrush.

      . . . and I have no chance of winning this argument, . . .
      Reality strikes him like . . . like . . . like a Strikey Thing. Perhaps there is hope. Perhaps the glass is only half-dirty. However, should he continue in the manner expected of a spoiled four year-old, he certainly will not win any arguments, even if it is against peng [Stop that!--Ed.]

      Yes . . . sorry. . . .

      I just felt the need to put my two cents worth in.
      Unfortunately, the Boy prov'd reason poor and utterly centless.

      In the rain.

      --J.D.
      Why yes, I still have sand in my vagina! It is because I am a lying cowardly child who got buttfucked by MEANIE Doctor X! I also do not know the Latin and it makes me cry!!--Phrost

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        ok for the guy who said dogshit is not a part of fang shen do, your wrong.

        i was told by a few guys who had to sniff it them selfs, and also told by a sifu, except he was trying to make it sound like not a big deal the way he said it, but he said it him self.

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          To See the Light!

          May 05, 2006

          Dear Rick the Ripper,

          Please pull your head out of your ass or maybe out of the ass of FSD. The problems with FSD have been going on for over 15 years. As a former student I can assure you that it is just a matter of time, and you maturing, before you actually begin to see the light on what a money grabbing, cult like, bow down to his holiness(sJP) system FSD really is.

          Sincerely,
          red-dragon

          PS. To see the light, place both hands on the cheeks push forward and pull your head out.

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            a request.

            Guys, can we take the 'ripping' to the other thread? I think this isn't the proper forum. Not to rain on your parades, or anything, just to move the parade to where the sun is. :)

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              Out of the mouths of n00bs...
              Locu5
              combat sports hobbyist

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                Alright this will be my last post or to put it another way, my "coup de grace" (Using big words just makes you sound like a jackass doesn't it doc) I would just like to clear a few things up before I leave this and all bullshido forums for good

                #1 I never personally put anyone down other than actual "eyewitniss accounts" I have of people in my own life who left FSD and just so happen to talk exactly the way you guys do and yes who are indeed pussies who left for fear of injury.

                #2 I may have sworn a lot but I never actually personally threatened anyone yet I have been accused of doing so several times. I have however been told by people in other forums to "fucking die", "kill myself" and "go to hell" with absolutely no provocation on my part and simply due to the racism of me doing Fang Shen Do.

                #3 I attempted to be civil here. See my posts in Physical Fitness and other forums, no swearing at all, no mention of FSD even, I didnt come here looking for a fight. I only blew my top when I was verbally attacked for the third time based solely on my FSD backround in the lightbulb forum.

                #4 I have asked people who have been to the training camp myself about the poo sniffing and they told me that if such a thing happened they were unaware of it. This means that if it happened it was by a private group of idiots attending the camp and therefore was not PART of the training camp program and therefore has absolutely nothing to do with FSD (If a guy jacks off in a BJJ changeroom does that mean masterbation has anything to do with BJJ)

                #5 I really don't have time to keep arguing this and I promise this is the last you'll see of me, I have a job, an academic career and my training to think of. Wouldn't want to end up as a 36 year old airconditioning salesman cause I wasted all my time arguing on the internet.

                See ya
                Last edited by Rick the Ripper; 5/05/2006 3:35pm, .

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                  Originally posted by Little Ricky gone to play....
                  Alright this will be my last post
                  Do you know Sifu No BS? He posted this line several times. Though he still hasnt turned up at a tournament to fight. Ah well, maybe one day an FSD guy will step into the ring - we'll see.
                  Originally posted by Little Ricky wants a sniff
                  I have asked people who have been to the training camp myself about the poo sniffing and they told me that if such a thing happened they were unaware of it. This means that if it happened it was by a private group of idiots attending the camp and therefore was not PART of the training camp program and therefore has absolutely nothing to do with FSD (If a guy jacks off in a BJJ changeroom does that mean masterbation has anything to do with BJJ)
                  Yep, your right, we've been told that 50+ people smelt the poo it under the direction of sJP - couldnt have been part of the actual training, just cause sJP led the drill couldnt be part of FSD.
                  Now stop talking bad about masterbation or TKDBB will start posting links to Matbattle.com again. You've been warned, you dont want to go there.
                  Originally posted by Old Ricky
                  I have a job, an academic career
                  Your 16? Ok, so you sliped on that.
                  Originally posted by Ricky Wants a cookie
                  Wouldn't want to end up as a 36 year old airconditioning salesman
                  Ask your mom, on second thought - better yet, ask your dad what the joke is.
                  Last edited by Askari; 5/05/2006 4:25pm, .
                  "Sifu, I"m niether - I'm a fire dragon so don't fuck with me!"

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                    Sometimes the classics provides the best responses to fools.

                    King: Dost thou call me fool, boy?

                    Fool: All thine other titles thou hast given away. . . .
                    Originally posted by Boy
                    Alright this will be my last post. . . .
                    Like a bloody opera singer! Always making her "last performance."

                    --"Uncle" Tom, Rumpole of the Bailey
                    (Using big words just makes you sound like a jackass doesn't it doc)
                    Satan: So you'd like to be articulate?

                    Stanley: Yeah . . . yeah!

                    Satan: And be able to use words like "articulate?"

                    --Bedazzled
                    Though perhaps the sage advice applies to our Boy delivered to a friend:

                    Buy a fucking dictionary! Take $20, walk downstairs, walk across the street to the university bookstore, and buy a fucking dictionary!

                    --University Professor William Arrowsmith, Classicist
                    "Big words" include "tantrum," apparently. However, if the Boy's allowance does not make purchase of a dictionary feasible, he may try www.dictionary.com, or he may ask his mommy for help.

                    Though I would just like to clear a few things up before I leave this and all bullshido forums for good
                    Duke d'Escargot: I go with God, your majesty!

                    Queen Marie Antoinette: Go with whomever you want, just go.

                    --Start the Revolution without Me
                    #1 I never personally put anyone down other than actual "eyewitniss [Sic--Ed.] accounts"
                    Contradicted by his own posts. Too many legal movies I could quote regarding perjury.

                    #2 I may have sworn a lot but I never actually personally threatened anyone. . . .
                    I refer to the answer I gave previously.

                    --Francis Urquhart, Prime Minister, To Play the King
                    I have however been told by people in other forums to "fucking die", "kill myself" and "go to hell" with absolutely no provocation on my part and simply due to the racism of me doing Fang Shen Do.
                    Another lie and now argumentum ad misericordiam--he has moved on in fallacious reasoning. To which:

                    The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
                    applies.

                    #3 I attempted to be civil here. LIE!LIE!WHINE!MOMMY!!
                    See above.

                    Feeble attempt to defend "poo sniffing" follows.

                    Desperation is a stinky cologne, John.

                    --SuperTroopers
                    Far be it for me to judge a man's hobbies. . . .

                    #5 I really don't have time to keep arguing this. . . .
                    DragonBallZ is on. . . .

                    Then runs away claiming he will be "important" one day despite the fact he wastes his time having tantrums over subjects of which he has no understanding.

                    Perhaps it will confuse it if we run away some more.

                    --Sir Robin
                    --J.D.
                    Why yes, I still have sand in my vagina! It is because I am a lying cowardly child who got buttfucked by MEANIE Doctor X! I also do not know the Latin and it makes me cry!!--Phrost

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                      Originally posted by Rick the Ripper
                      Alright this will be my last post or to put it another way, my "coup de grace" (Using big words just makes you sound like a jackass doesn't it doc) I would just like to clear a few things up before I leave this and all bullshido forums for good

                      Reply BUBU Bye now! Of course, as FSD characters have more farewells than Frank Sinatra(have your mommy explain that joke), unfortunately I doubt we have heard the last of you..

                      #1 I never personally put anyone down other than actual "eyewitniss accounts" I have of people in my own life who left FSD and just so happen to talk exactly the way you guys do and yes who are indeed pussies who left for fear of injury.

                      "I'll tell you right now what the REAL problem with FSD is. Some people find it too hard. So these fucking PUSSIES leave after a year or so of going once a motherfucking week (you can't get good at ANYTHING going once a week, not FSD, not BJJ, not guitar, not piano etc) so then they go join BJJ, karate, or FUCKING BALLET DANCING or MACRAME or some other shit. Then, to cover their pussihood for running from FSD with their NONEXISTENT DICKS BETWEEN THEIR LEGS as soon as it got a little hard, they go and BITCH to anyone who will fucking listen about CULT LIKE ASPECTS, COSTS and UTTER BULLSHIT!! They use their legions of free time because they have no fucking life digging up every bit of dirt they can find or FABRICATE (most likely 99% of these bullshit claims) and go on and on with their loser buddies on the internet who like to laugh at dumbass claims and even make their own about FSD, EVEN THOUGH THEY DONT KNOW THE FIRST FUCKING THING ABOUT FANG SHEN DO"

                      REPLY Hmm, losers friends who have no life making up lies about FSD. Damn, I'm glad you're being civil, otherwise my feelings might get hurt.



                      #2 I may have sworn a lot but I never actually personally threatened anyone yet I have been accused of doing so several times. I have however been told by people in other forums to "fucking die", "kill myself" and "go to hell" with absolutely no provocation on my part and simply due to the racism of me doing Fang Shen Do.

                      REPLY Racialism? Does you think the racialism on the board is more subtle than on other boards where they tell you to kill yourself? Has it occurred to you if lots of people tell you to fuck oof and die, that just maybe you are the fuckin' problem?
                      "OOh , please don't hate on me cuz I'm a jackass, let's take on the noble mantle of FSD, because every martial artist in the world wants to be in FSD, but due to our strict pricing policy, most can't afford it. Luckily, I have my mom to pay my tuition."

                      #3 I attempted to be civil here. See my posts in Physical Fitness and other forums, no swearing at all, no mention of FSD even, I didnt come here looking for a fight. I only blew my top when I was verbally attacked for the third time based solely on my FSD backround in the lightbulb forum.


                      REPLY You have a short memory, skippy, oh I mean Ricky,history of drug abuse, maybe? See above for your restrained discourse. Blowing your top when verbally attacked? Still trying to figure out how someone with an academic career can be verbally attacked in a written medium, but then I have already finished high school. Maybe it is like new math.

                      #4 I have asked people who have been to the training camp myself about the poo sniffing and they told me that if such a thing happened they were unaware of it. This means that if it happened it was by a private group of idiots attending the camp and therefore was not PART of the training camp program and therefore has absolutely nothing to do with FSD (If a guy jacks off in a BJJ changeroom does that mean masterbation has anything to do with BJJ)

                      REPLY As a 16 year old, I can understand your fascination with masturbation, it serves it purpose until you can experience the real thing. Hey, kind of like FSD!

                      #5 I really don't have time to keep arguing this and I promise this is the last you'll see of me, I have a job, an academic career and my training to think of. Wouldn't want to end up as a 36 year old airconditioning salesman cause I wasted all my time arguing on the internet.

                      See ya
                      Based on your well reasoned statements, I have no doubt you do well in your high school debating team, but please, I don't picture you as a salesman. Maybe a septic tank cleaner, it will be a step up from the shit your dealing with now.

                      Have a nice life and be sure not to write!

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                        Doctor X is my hero.....


                        TKD

                        THIS IS NOT AN EXIT


                        "Ladies and gentlemen, the pilot has instructed everyone to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up." Henry Rollins

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                          ripper

                          Well, this ripper-kid is not what he claims to be. 16-year-olds don't write like that!
                          Again: the shit-sniffing happened only once, at the 2005 training camp in August, Friday evening in the barn. Martin went out the rear entrance (that's were you end up when you do the "barn exercise", anyone remember?) to get the bucket with the dog shit. ALL participants were there (about 80), including Linda and Christine Patenaude. However, JP was so insecure about the whole thing that he dismissed it afterwards and said he will never do it again. Ripper, if you are what you claim you are, ask your instructor, most of them were there. Let us know what school you are from and I may be able to give you some names of participants from your school or even your seafoo. In serious cults like EST, stuff like this was used to crush people. But since JP basically tries to copy stuff that is beyond his intellectual reach, it ends up being just ridiculous. It is kind of the Eastern-Ontario-trailer-park-boy-white-trash-version, just like the Patenaudes have tried to rip of Asian traditions of martial arts to enrich themselves. You may be upset because your instructors are perhaps nice guys. Yes, but they too got screwed by the Poopinodes, although most of them haven't realized it yet. And: they Ps love guys like you, because they want to get young kids hooked so that they buy one of their franchises. FYI: check the forum what they did to the guy who thought he owned the school in Belleville. It is all about money.

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                            TKD:

                            Thanks!

                            I doubt that Ripper will be back to answer lubomir's questions. The "shit-sniffing" is typical of any system designed to humiliate participants. The humiliations serves a number of purposes:
                            • 1. Weeds out doubters.
                              2. Empowers the leaders.
                              3. Solidifies believers--believe they are "tough" and part of "the Chosen."
                              • A. If they will do this--sniff shit--they will do a lot more like contribute $$
                                B. Believers want to be leaders to do the same to lesser-ranks.

                              4. Makes leaving more difficult--after all of the humiliation it is much harder to admit one has been duped.
                              5. Drives the assumption that the Leaders have a higher understanding--that you cannot figure out the significant of shit-sniffing, is your deficiency


                            And with that . . . I think I will "borrow" a list of "signs of a conspiracy theory," because I think they may well apply to a cult like this.

                            --J.D.
                            Why yes, I still have sand in my vagina! It is because I am a lying cowardly child who got buttfucked by MEANIE Doctor X! I also do not know the Latin and it makes me cry!!--Phrost

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                              "Stolen" from poster nickterry who has been kicking the ass of a Holocaust Denier across ANOTHER BOARD [Boo. Hiss.--Ed.]. I see conspiracy theories such as HD a paradigm for crapolla--if you can rationalize that something this documented did not actually happen . . . rationalizing shit-sniffing is a minor achievement.

                              The List is from the site: Urban75. My comments will be in Blue.

                              10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
                              A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

                              1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.

                              We have certainly seen arrogance as a "sine qua non" of Bullshidoists such as FSD.

                              2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "sheep" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for precis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length.

                              Check!

                              3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

                              This applies to the avoidance of embarrassing questions and an unwillingness to support claims such as, "I am t3h d34dly!" challenges.

                              4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.

                              A little more difficult since cui bono?--"to what good" fallacy is not used much . . . nor is the appeal to Conan Doyle! However, they do use "stock phrases" to attack detractors as evidences by posts HERE.

                              5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.

                              A little more difficult, but notice the attempts to deny "shit sniffing" or document the MMA tornament triumphs claimed. VERY simple to document and prove . . . yet. . . .

                              6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.

                              Just ask what is the evidence of martial applicability--be it for sparing, randori, throwdowns, competition, or t3h str33t.

                              7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.

                              Consider how long these threads run.

                              8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.

                              Consider all of the claims that Their Style is better than all other styles. Consider the unsubstantiated claims. Consider the attacks on those who left the cult--"they were pussies!"

                              9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims.This may seem to not apply, but consider how defenders try to smear the board by attacking "Bullshidoists"--as in the work done by participants HERE just simply cannot be trusted. This applies more to the MAP apologists.

                              10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.

                              Bullshido just has it out for FSD. . . .

                              The same errors in critical thinking that result in conspiracy theories leads to cults like this, belief in bullshit, and support of the Yankees.

                              Tragic . . . all of it. . . .

                              --J.D.
                              Why yes, I still have sand in my vagina! It is because I am a lying cowardly child who got buttfucked by MEANIE Doctor X! I also do not know the Latin and it makes me cry!!--Phrost

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                                Since the good doctor seems to have misused red for blue I'll claim blue for my comments.:thumbsup:

                                Originally posted by Doctor X
                                10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
                                A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

                                4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.

                                A little more difficult since cui bono?--"to what good" fallacy is not used much . . . nor is the appeal to Conan Doyle! However, they do use "stock phrases" to attack detractors as evidences by posts HERE.
                                - Well I believe 'Enhanced' is a stock phrase on one of the Siju's (not to pick on an esteemed forum member). Further to this, in a circular fashion, they have evoked Cicero in the idead that FSD somehow contains a secret that is a product of a number of steps. Membership to Black Belt Club to Camps to Ownership of a club. At each level the promise exists that one's stock will raise in the group as you progress. Simply put although the truism of 'evidence required' is somewhat sidestepped when you are able to create the illusion of truth by virtue of membership you make it unattainable to the regular person. Its like the jokes that require the person who was just tricked to recruit the next set of victims.

                                Originally posted by Doctor X
                                5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.

                                A little more difficult, but notice the attempts to deny "shit sniffing" or document the MMA tornament triumphs claimed. VERY simple to document and prove . . . yet. . . .

                                --J.D.
                                - Once again I think a further development of point 4 illustrates how well this applies. You can also bolster this point by using point 8. I believe (and I'm not a lawyer) that this is where the burden of proof shifts. Denying the existance of an event in the face of evidence regardless of the weight of said evidence, does not prove the event didn't happen.

                                Oh well, back to work.

                                TKD

                                THIS IS NOT AN EXIT


                                "Ladies and gentlemen, the pilot has instructed everyone to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up." Henry Rollins

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