A WMA manual with groundfighting

[Anna Kovacs]

I looked at all of them, the first one I reconized from the flower of battle, I never really liked those ones cause they don't look all too effective. The second looked like a complete sytsem of wrestling...Looked very cool. The third one was pretty informative, do you know if their style is based of those picutres or something else?

I've had some luck using some stuff from the first one (Fiore's "Flower of battles"), I was looking at it yesterday and I think I am starting to see some good applications in the clinch for a lot of stuff i thought was questionable before. I am hoping to do some clinch sparring in the near future and try some of the stuff out. Most of the techniques in Fiore appear in many other sources aswell so I have a hard time imagining them to be useless being that they're so common across a long streatch of time and differant masters from differant cultures.

But I try to remain objective and realistic and until I get the chance to use them in sparring against a resisting opponent at the gym I can't personally vouch for them. I do howver have good feelings that I'll be able to bust out some Fiore next time I am in the clinch as I was looking at the techniques very studiously yesterday trying to find a place to fit them.

I think part of it is I don't really get much chance to heavily drill a lot of the unarmed techniques so I'll look at them and go "oh, thats cool" and i file it away in my brain, but most of it is not instinctual enough to execute smoothly under pressure as of yet, so it's really only every now and then that I think to try and pull it off, sometimes it's a hit and sometimes it's a miss.



The third one is cool because the photographed techniques are from the Modern Army Combatives manual and are taught to the US army.

They are not based off the illustrated techniques directly, but the resembleance is very clear.

[Anna Kovacs]

http://photobucket.com/albums/b260/annatrocity/Durer/

120 Images of ringen techniques. Some of them I have used successfully, some of them I can see the utility in, some of them just confuse the hell out of me. Enjoy.

[DdlR]

The Codex Wallerstein has recently been translated into modern German and English, including full descriptions of the unarmed combat techniques (which actually comprise most of the book's content) - it's available from Aamazon.com at http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/158...lance&n=283155

[Toby Christensen]

I'm a big fan of that, you can put muh-fuckas down hard with it.

I also like this kneebar attack.






http://www.varmouries.com/wildrose/fiore/section1.html

http://ejmas.com/jwma/articles/2000/...nput_1000.html

Scroll down for one of my favorites. Pictures from the Modern Army Combatives manual right next to illustrations of the same techniques from Paulus hector mairs fight book.

http://www.paulushectormair.com/CQC_PHM.htm

That comparative page kicks arse. Well done.

[martialfiend]

I'm a big fan of that, you can put muh-fuckas down hard with it.

I also like this kneebar attack.






http://www.varmouries.com/wildrose/fiore/section1.html

http://ejmas.com/jwma/articles/2000/...nput_1000.html

Scroll down for one of my favorites. Pictures from the Modern Army Combatives manual right next to illustrations of the same techniques from Paulus hector mairs fight book.

http://www.paulushectormair.com/CQC_PHM.htm

Yeah oh look someone's pulling my leg.

[Letum]

Haha, looks alot like the stuff my old Fencing maestro used to teach me as a kid, although the last one (the "knee bar" esque one) was taught differently, mainly in the sense that the body's were tighter together to restrict the range and enable more control.

Heh, I really should check the ARMA out I guess, might be some people in my area to spar with.

[mean_liar]

This is very interesting for me... I'm used to seeing old Chinese drawings of techniques, not European ones.

There's very little thats new in martial arts these days, is there? Its like a constant process of rediscovery.

[Teh El Macho]

I would love to get into some traditional German MA, get back in touch with my heritage, etc. AnnaT, any hopes of getting you to teach me a few things at the MMTD?

You should check out the ARMA Member Location Map (http://www.frappr.com/arma). There is at least one ARMA member in MD that may tell you if there is a traditional German MA study group near Baltimore. Incidentally, the ARMA South Florida Study Group meets very close from my home, to train/study in the German school of swordmanship I think.

[meng_mao]

http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/90.jpg I didn't see this one before but I think it's the best.

Isn't this a throw from Sanshou/shuaijiao?

[Anna Kovacs]

It's a basic double leg with a little head assistence. We call it a "power double" at my gym. Wouldnt surprise me in the least if it's in san shou aswell.

[VikingPower]

The camel clutch, sweet.

Cool find! :pancakebu

[meng_mao]

The camel clutch, sweet.

Cool find! :pancakebu

Don't you have to lock up the legs somehow?

[Torakaka]

Don't you have to lock up the legs somehow?

the ultimate warrior says no

[DuckofDeath]

It's a basic double leg with a little head assistence. We call it a "power double" at my gym. Wouldnt surprise me in the least if it's in san shou aswell.

In BJJ it's called the "Gracie tackle."

[Toby Christensen]

It appears in some freestyle manuals as well