Zombie Apocolapse?

[Jim_Jude]

I have the Mossberg, but the only handgun I have other than a pile of .22s is a PPK and we all know how reliable those are, even if they do win points for style.

Actually, all my guns are 7,000 miles away now that I think about it. I'm going to die for sure.

What about the ZSG's supposition that a .22LR would rattle around in the skull and pulverize the brain? How many of us believe that? My big question is whether it would penetrate in the first place. If it would, then why not go really small and carry a .17HMR? Of course, I think you'd be more likely to get an exit wound with one of those.

Why the fuck are we having the conversation? I've killed pigs with .22 right to the head, no problem, & have friends that have worked in the livestock slaughter business that have killed THOUSANDS OF HOGS & COWS with .22 caliber ammo to the head. I've seen it more times than I can count.
22. works, but use hi or hyper velocity ammo, you won't have a problem. If you have a doubt, avoid the frontal bone and just shoot the eyes. If you can aim at a forehead, you can aim for the orbitals or the temples.
You guys asking such silly questions need to get out and shoot more.

[JudOWNED]

Uh, I was responding to Jim. Please reread the quotes in my response. Vorpal and I made two similar yet different sets of commments. My reponses were to Jim's post.

... Um, yeah. And I believed you missed his point and explained why.

The 1911 design has evolved and is in fact a "modern" firearm.

and...

Now if the sum of your argument is that a Glock is superior to an early 1900s military issue 1911, I'd say maybe you're right.

Nobody answered my question. Define when a 1911 ceases to be a 1911. My 1911 exp comes from shooting a customized (trigger pull) colt 1911. To my mind, especially when you start changing how the pistol actually mechanially functions (eg SAO to double action), that's no longer a "true" 1911.

Nice duck of my question about C&L carry. I 'll take that as you conceding my point.

lol. Seriously? You're actually trying to pull the "I win" off of me not answering ONE question? That's lame, man, lame. Here's an answer...

You don't think there is inherently more risk in carrying a pistol where the hammer is raised and ready to fall on an inline firing pin? You don't think modern guns where the firing pin is kept off line until ready to fire and the hammer is either down, or there is no real "hammer" is safer? You don't think that modern improvements like keeping the firing pin off line were done because they are safer and the fact that no modern gun design uses a cocked and lock platform for carry should tell you something?

Truthfully, I don't think you do. And that puzzles me.

Oh, and after you shoot I'll let you watch me crack off a few rounds. I'm sure you'll have some tips for me on how I can improve.

lol Did you seriously just say your e-dick is bigger than mine? Yes, I think you did.

Here's some food for thought. "1911's are the best gun ever made and no modern gun can compare to that venerable work horse!!11!ELEVENTY!" and other like beliefs are an affectation. Not because 1911's aren't good guns. And despite the fact that some competition shooters may use modern, polymer framed, tricked out 1911's. But because modern gun designs and modern improvements were, by in large, made for good reasons and offer real improvements over older designs.

[MrGalt]

Why the fuck are we having the conversation? I've killed pigs with .22 right to the head, no problem, & have friends that have worked in the livestock slaughter business that have killed THOUSANDS OF HOGS & COWS with .22 caliber ammo to the head. I've seen it more times than I can count.
22. works, but use hi or hyper velocity ammo, you won't have a problem. If you have a doubt, avoid the frontal bone and just shoot the eyes. If you can aim at a forehead, you can aim for the orbitals or the temples.
You guys asking such silly questions need to get out and shoot more.

I used to shoot plenty, but it was more in the paper silhouette and clay disk department. Never had a spare pig to test my calibers on unfortunately.

Now that I have a verdict on .22, I shall go forth and build my zombie pistol as soon as I get back to the US in that caliber.

[7thSamurai]

http://www.zombiesurvivalwiki.com/page/Weapons+%26+Gear

Lots of info in here.

[JRT6]

I live in the semi-country so my zombie protection starts with home made claymores and some judicious use of the natural terrain on my property.

[BadUglyMagic]

Try looking at the range of Kimbers out there, quality and out of the box "TUNED PERFORMANCE" is directly proportionate to how much you are willing to pay for one.

No, but of course, I didn't say that. Proper training gets things down to hundredths of a second so it doesn't really matter all that much. However, if all you have to do is pull the trigger, it makes things all the faster, huh? Complex? I think not.

Uh, yeah, that's what I said.

Can you provide an example of this? Seriously, I'm curious.

Yes, it's nice that accountants help save money for gun designers that would otherwise waste stockholders money or run their companies into the ground.

& can you provide a gun that has actually be designed, or even a prototype, that's "unsafe to shoot/carry"?

So your first point is to say a NIB Glock is inherently more accurate out of the box?

Yes, you did say it. Post #102 "with the 1911 you gain nothing by carrying it cocked and locked, but pistols without a manual safety are that tiny bit faster to deploy"

Some persons, perhaps even on this forum are uncomfortable with carrying a C&Ld 1911. UInsafe? No. Do some people think it is unsafe, yes.

Unsafe to carry may be left up to a jury within a product liability lawsuit. A firearm does not have to be unsafe/defective to have allow for legal action against a manufacturer. The manufacturer will have to prove the product is not unsafe/defective. A jury may still find a manufacturer negligent and liable for a firearm design. Lawyers review design relative to the law to address current and future liabilty concerns.

[JRT6]

How many people can really out shoot the accuracy of their gun?

[Vorpal]

You don't think there is inherently more risk in carrying a pistol where the hammer is raised and ready to fall on an inline firing pin? You don't think modern guns where the firing pin is kept off line until ready to fire and the hammer is either down, or there is no real "hammer" is safer? You don't think that modern improvements like keeping the firing pin off line were done because they are safer and the fact that no modern gun design uses a cocked and lock platform for carry should tell you something?

Truthfully, I don't think you do. And that puzzles me.

You're puzzled because you are uneducated about the subject you're espousing on. You have an emotional reaction to seeing a hammer back, but don't understand the actual mechanics involved with either firearm. Wow, you shot one 1911 and now you're an expert? Listen, just to qualify myself a bit, I worked in the firearms industry for years (Navy Arms Company, Ridgefield, NJ), I have carried firearms professionally since 1986. I'm currently a federal firearms instructor (U.S. Marshals Service).

Please tell me where the firing pin goes in a Glock when it is "off line"? You have no idea what you're talking about. The firing pin is blocked from firing until the trigger is pulled. (it never goes"off line") Most 1911s post series 70 have the same feature. (If you don't know what I mean when I say Series 70, stop reading and choke yourself).

The fact is the reason "cocked and locked" has fallen to the wayside in favor of striker fired systems is exactly because people have a negative reaction to seeing a hammer back, but not being able to see a firing pin under tension (as it is in the Glock*) sets their mind at ease. Ignorance is bliss.

Please, stop pontificating about firearms. Please.






*Partially. Pulling the trigger on the Glock pulls the striker back under full tension before firing. This feature enables it to be designated as a "double action" firearm by the BATF

[BadUglyMagic]

... Um, yeah. And I believed you missed his point and explained why.

and...

Nobody answered my question. Define when a 1911 ceases to be a 1911. My 1911 exp comes from shooting a customized (trigger pull) colt 1911. To my mind, especially when you start changing how the pistol actually mechanially functions (eg SAO to double action), that's no longer a "true" 1911.


You don't think there is inherently more risk in carrying a pistol where the hammer is raised and ready to fall on an inline firing pin? You don't think modern guns where the firing pin is kept off line until ready to fire and the hammer is either down, or there is no real "hammer" is safer? You don't think that modern improvements like keeping the firing pin off line were done because they are safer and the fact that no modern gun design uses a cocked and lock platform for carry should tell you something?

Truthfully, I don't think you do. And that puzzles me.

Actually your question form Post #113,"At what point does it cease to be a 1911 and become a modern gun BASED ON a 1911 design?"

The real question is does it kill zombies better than a 9mm or 40 cal.

[Sealknife]

lol. Guys, calm down.

Good argument, but isn't the point of each weapon to kill a zombie(in this situation)?

I've fired a Kimber 1911, I loved it. I've fired a Para hi cap 1911, it was ok. I've fired a Glock, I loved it too.

As for the conceal carry with the hammer back, why should it matter? If nobody can see it than as far as I'm concerned it isn't even there.

It's all about your preference.

(standard size)Glocks carry more rounds than a 7+1 1911 but the 1911 will probably be a little bit easier to conceal than a standard size Glock.

You both win. The zombies lose.

[KO'd N DOA]

[quote=Sealknife]

As for the conceal carry with the hammer back, why should it matter? If nobody can see it than as far as I'm concerned it isn't even there.

It's all about your preference.

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WRONG: Every self respecting Zombie want an honorable dispatch to Zombie hell, therefore it matters most of all to them!!! It's all about the Zombie preference.

[Sealknife]

[quote=KO'd N DOA]

As for the conceal carry with the hammer back, why should it matter? If nobody can see it than as far as I'm concerned it isn't even there.

It's all about your preference.

quote]

WRONG: Every self respecting Zombie want an honorable dispatch to Zombie hell, therefore it matters most of all to them!!! It's all about the Zombie preference.

Agreed. Break out the dueling pistols!

[JudOWNED]

Edited because I thought of something better. Get back to you tonight, Vorp.

[JudOWNED]

For the Zombie thing, I'm with Jim. FOr most Z's a .22 to the dome is going to work just fine.

[Jim_Jude]

I used to shoot plenty, but it was more in the paper silhouette and clay disk department. Never had a spare pig to test my calibers on unfortunately.

Now that I have a verdict on .22, I shall go forth and build my zombie pistol as soon as I get back to the US in that caliber.

Word. Man, you just can't have enough .22 for the SHTF scenario. Seriously, regardless of the situation, I think that .22 caliber ANYTHING will keep folks alive longer than anything else. You can stock THOUSANDS of rounds for almost nothing when compared to other ammo.
Double tap a Zed in the head with hi velocity .22, you'll get results!