Do they really have to shoot your dogs?

[Bill Danosky]

Has anybody tuned into the DC area news story where the police no-knocked the mayor's house, cuffed-and-stuffed him, his wife and mother-in-law and shot his two Labradors?

Evidently, they were the unwitting victims of a smuggling scheme where a corrupt overnight delivery employee dropped packages of pot that had been shipped to random addresses and were picked up by accomplice before the family got home. In this case, Mayor Cheye Calvo made it home early and brought the package inside, prompting the raid.

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Is it left to the arbitrary discretion of the SWAT officers to shoot any dogs present or is there some standard for this? Maybe there are viscious Labrador Retrievers out there, but one of them was supposedly running away when shot.

I have a 20 pound Pug that barks at the doorbell. I've never been in any kind of trouble, but I'm a little concerned for her safety.

[SuperGuido]

Oh holy fucking shit.

Unless those were some rabid attack Labradors, I hope someone gets fucking HURT for this bullshit.

[The Question]

What? They're dogs. Fucking dogs. What the problem with putting slugs in dogs? What makes dogs more special than pigs or cows? If you have a problem with shooting dogs, you should put the motherfucking hamburger down and start protesting with the other annoying hippy activists.

Wow, that sounded like a troll post. But it's not. I'm serious.

Yes, they have to shoot your dogs.

[Kentucky Fried Chokin]

That was most defiantley a troll post. That's the most trollish post I've ever read here at Bullshido. My hat is off to you for raising the bar in trolling and I give you a perfect 10.0 for your overall trollishness.

[vaquero de las nalgas]

I have a 20 pound Pug that barks at the doorbell. I've never been in any kind of trouble, but I'm a little concerned for her safety.[/quote]

what about the damn girl scouts leaving dope on someone's doorstep?

[sochin101]

What? They're dogs. Fucking dogs. What the problem with putting slugs in dogs? What makes dogs more special than pigs or cows? If you have a problem with shooting dogs, you should put the motherfucking hamburger down and start protesting with the other annoying hippy activists.

Wow, that sounded like a troll post. But it's not. I'm serious.

Yes, they have to shoot your dogs.

Q, if you have to point out you're not trolling, I think you're doing it wrong.

Pigs are predominantly bred for food (sorry, Jews n Muslims - hey you have something in common! Work with that... swap recipes?), dogs are bred mainly for companionship & protection.
Some dogs are better human beings than some people - ie they display more of the traits that we'd like to see in the lower rungs of society; honesty, loyalty, obedience, work ethic. Man's best friend mean anything to you?

Also, cows are killing the panet with methane, dude, don't you read the papers? They should be shot simply in self defence.

Do you think the cop who shot those dogs would be facing the same public criticism if he'd shot two dudes for non-compliance, fearing they may be armed?

Do you think a thread would have been started in here if someone shot a couple of Yardy burglars in the dead of night?
Maybe, but it would have been a 'nice grouping' thread or 'how do make it look like fleeing black guys were still a threat' thread.

[adouglasmhor]

Took part in a few armed raids on houses where there were big aggressive dogs, never had to kill any off them, of course the IRA and loyalist paramillitaries in Northern Ireland aren't as dangerous as the mayor's wife and a couple of chocolate labs.

[mrm1775]

What? They're dogs. Fucking dogs. What the problem with putting slugs in dogs? What makes dogs more special than pigs or cows? If you have a problem with shooting dogs, you should put the motherfucking hamburger down and start protesting with the other annoying hippy activists.

Wow, that sounded like a troll post. But it's not. I'm serious.

Yes, they have to shoot your dogs.

Q-Dot, I usually find you mildly entertaining, but STFU!

Bill, the SWAT officers can only shoot the dogs if they are attacked. So no, it is not left up to their discretion. From what I have seen the operation was a clusterfuck in every way, shape, and form. I usually give cops the benefit of the doubt when a questionable incident happens (making the right call in the situations they face can be really tough), but this was inexcusable. The team leaders and investigators involved need to suffer the consequences. They're an embarrasment to the badge.

So fear not, your pug is safe so long as the police in your area are proffessional, which they probably are, and you are not involved in any criminal activity.

Why? Are youinvolved in any criminal activity?

[sochin101]

Why? Are youinvolved in any criminal activity?

Pssst... he does aikido... crimes against Aliveness (TM)?

[BudoMonkey]

Listen this-

One of my best friends used to live down the street from me. This kid didnt come from a bad family, but him and his older brother were always getting into trouble. Selling a little pot and some pills, maybe had a couple firearms, etc. Okay, so one day, about five years ago, the police raided his house. My friend was not there at the time.

The DEA and two other local police agencies busted his door down, and came in shooting. They sprayed his friendly pitbull full of holes (as he was running away), and shot both of his parents who were sitting at the dinner table. They shot his mother in the leg, and his father in the toe. They weren't doing anything wrong, just sitting there, but the way I heard it when they banged through the door the dog barked and then tried to run- and that's as much chance as he got. Shot him dead, and filled the room full of bullet holes.

In the end, all the found was about $600 in the bathroom with a scale and a little bit of pot. It was in all the papers down here, but in Miami this shit happens all the time so it was forgotten about before long. Damn right his family didn't forget though.

There must be some sort of policy on this where they tell officers on a raid to shoot a dog if they think they might pose a threat.

It's really tragic. I knew that dog well.

Question- Shut the fuck up, you fucking mongoloid.

[Lu Tze]

Do you think the cop who shot those dogs would be facing the same public criticism if he'd shot two dudes for non-compliance, fearing they may be armed?

All the public criticism in the world doesn't do shit if the officers face zero disciplinary measures. Which they won't, and wouldn't even if the dogs had been people.

In another recent no knock raid, an officer shot blindly into a room and injured a woman armed with the heinous and deadly weapon that was her son. That's right, he indiscriminately shot a woman holding a baby... and faced no repercussions at all.

[7thSamurai]

All the public criticism in the world doesn't do shit if the officers face zero disciplinary measures. Which they won't, and wouldn't even if the dogs had been people.

In another recent no knock raid, an officer shot blindly into a room and injured a woman armed with the heinous and deadly weapon that was her son. That's right, he indiscriminately shot a woman holding a baby... and faced no repercussions at all.

I think we have police unions to thank for that. I'm so tired of hearing union representatives rushing to defend actions that are clearly out of line with public opinion. Regardless of legal "right" the negative impact that these types of shootings have on public opinion is the single most (in my opinion) damaging factor on the relationship between LEO and the public at large.

[vigilus]

What? They're dogs. Fucking dogs. What the problem with putting slugs in dogs? What makes dogs more special than pigs or cows? If you have a problem with shooting dogs, you should put the motherfucking hamburger down and start protesting with the other annoying hippy activists.

Wow, that sounded like a troll post. But it's not. I'm serious.

Yes, they have to shoot your dogs.

I think there are guidelines about trolling in the armory.

Whats the problem with shooting dogs vice cows?
Well you don't keep cows as a family pet. Some people treat their pets like family members.
Theres a question about the need not only to blow away dogs traumatizing a family including children but bouncing around slugs in someones house when you don't need too.
Lastly we're talking about the legality, need and other issues surrounding no knock warrants. This isn't a PETA plug, stop trolling. Instead go break into someones house who has a gun.

[Kaeth]

People have gotten prison time for killing dogs.

Since you know damn well dogs are going to do exactly what they're supposed to do when the door gets kicked down, a no-knock warrant would automatically be a license to kill dogs, if this kind of thing was actually allowed.

[Hesperus]

Man, y'all are worry about dogs a bit much...

Considering they will shoot you while you're on your knees. And a woman. And holding your infant son.