Bullshido in the marines?

[3moose1]

Hmm...i don't wish to be shot by my friends...

But yeah, seriously, i have nothing against the military, but its not the career choice for me. Someone suggested becoming a therapist in the military...but how do you get there, without the degrees that i need the military to pay for? Oh, the conundrum.

I appreciate all your help

[SuperGuido]

Just pull out loans, get a room mate, attend a JC for your AA, and work part time to cover misc expenses.

Sure, you'll have to pay it off in the end...but it will save you the hassle of joining the military if you REALLY don't want to do it.

Just DON'T join the military because you think you have to...then spend your time bitching and moaning about joining the military.

[3moose1]

Just pull out loans, get a room mate, attend a JC for your AA, and work part time to cover misc expenses.

Sure, you'll have to pay it off in the end...but it will save you the hassle of joining the military if you REALLY don't want to do it.

Just DON'T join the military because you think you have to...then spend your time bitching and moaning about joining the military.

Haha i don't mind joining the military, i'm just not going to make a career out of it.

Sure, student loans...i'll be paying those bitches off till i'm in my 30s...then house payment. Sweet, don't want debt over my shoulder my entire life, thanks.

[halfcut]

Hmm...i don't wish to be shot by my friends...

But yeah, seriously, i have nothing against the military, but its not the career choice for me. Someone suggested becoming a therapist in the military...but how do you get there, without the degrees that i need the military to pay for? Oh, the conundrum.

I appreciate all your help

How many times have people mentioned ROTC scholarships? It will pay for you school and and you can major in anything you want. Almost every university has an ROTC program you finding one shouldn't be a problem. Once you have finished school and received a commission the military will even pay for you to take time off to work on your masters. It's all completely free you just owe them time, but officers make a pretty decent living so it's not like you are getting ripped off.

[3moose1]

How many times have people mentioned ROTC scholarships? It will pay for you school and and you can major in anything you want. Almost every university has an ROTC program you finding one shouldn't be a problem. Once you have finished school and received a commission the military will even pay for you to take time off to work on your masters. It's all completely free you just owe them time, but officers make a pretty decent living so it's not like you are getting ripped off.

I will talk to a recruiter about this

an air force recruiter :p

[halfcut]

A better idea would be to get in contact with the head of the ROTC department at whatever college you want to go to, as recruiters are there to get people to enlist not to go to ROTC. I think Wayne State and Oakland University have ROTC programs so you should look into it.

[3moose1]

Man, this is cool, though.

It turned from talking about a ninjer recruiter, to my future plans...

thanks alot guys, seriously.

Yeah, i'll decide where i want to go, then figure everything out from there.

thanks alot again, guys.

[Cassius]

To his defense, I scored a 99 on my ASVAB and when I said "Infantry" to the recruiter, I thought his eyes were going to bulge out of his head. He tried to convince me to do everything else, but the Infantry.

I scored a 99, and my recruiter actually wasn't surprised when I did this. Then again, he was the coolest recruiter ever. Nothing he told me was a lie, and he let me get out of every single DEP event his station held for an entire year. But then I had to get smart and decide to be a linguist instead.

To the OP: Do not join the military because you want to do the martial arts thing. Trust me. You will find nothing but headaches. Take me. I'm a pretty good grappler. I've never lost a combatives match in the Army (When I get to my next duty station, I likely will, but that's beside the point). Combatives has been fun exactly once: When I won DLI's combatives tournament and ended up with a DS's brown round as my prize. Otherwise, has been a huge bag of gay.

I love grappling more than just about anything, but Combatives sucks all the fun out of it. I cannot emphasize how lame Combatives in the Army generally seems to be. MCMAP will likely be even less fun, because of their curriculum. If you join the military, do it because you want to join the military. Do not expect to become a better fighter from being in the military. That is what MMA gyms are for.

Take everyone else's advice and call around to ROTC recruiters. And join the Air Force. They treat you better, and it will preserve your life, because if you join the Army instead and I have to salute your dumb ass one of these days, I will shoot you.

[mrm1775]

I've got to jump in on this one, as I recently received my honorable discharge after serving for four years as a Marine Corps officer.

First off, all of the armed services have a lot to offer, so don't be afraid to thoroughly investigate all of them and join the one that best fits YOU and what you are looking to accomplish. The Corps offers far more hardship than the other services in general, but some of us find that the psychological rewards are greater. As one of my OCS instructors told us, "its a small price to pay to be the world's finest."

I personally was an infantry officer, so my experience is almost entirely within that community. First off, some of the smartest Marines are grunts. Hell, the Commandant is a grunt! If the recruiter is using a high ASVAB score to try and convince you that it is a poor fit, it is possible that he is being pressured to put more recruits into MOS's that are currently short on personnel. If you are interested in MCMAP, however, you will probably have more opportunities in that arena if you go into a support MOS. It sounds counter-intuitive, but the infantry battalions have so much on their plates with the current deployment schedule that MCMAP tends to fall by the wayside. There are training courses offered from time to time on just about every station to certify Marines up to green belt instructor (at least) but the battalions often can't afford to give up personnel, and the slots go to Marines in support billets that deploy less. Hopefully this situation will change as we slowly return to a more "normal" deployment routine, but right now a grunt who wants to get an instructor certification will often have to wait until he gets a chance to do a B billet. So you might have to wait a few years.

Regardless of MOS, however, don't join the Marines with the express intention of getting heavily involved with MCMAP. Your responsibilities in your primary MOS will always take priority. You might get lucky, you might not. It does help your chances if you make your intentions known and if the unit knows it can rely on you. They will NOT waste a slot on you if they don't think you can successfully transmit your knowledge to the rest of your unit.

Oh and for the record: I don't know about the other services, but in the Corps, our officers are generally expected to work longer hours than the enlisted Marines. An officer who is perceived as not taking care of his men will typically have a very brief and unpleasant career. And, aside from a VERY brief period in Afghanistan, I never had a mustache. :icon_wink

[bjjgame]

Yeah, MSWs can do alot of things...but, what is the difference, training wise, between counseling psych and an msw?

I'm good at 3 things, fighting (passibly) music, and helping people, lol.

plus fuck, man, my friend's therapist makes a fucking truckload, haha

Sorry I haven't responded in a while.

When I was getting my master's, I had a friend who was getting her MSW. We talked about school a lot and it seemed like she was taking the same classes that I was (she had a "history of Social Work" class that I didn't have). Remember, however, that it needs to be a CLINICAL social work program (as opposed to community social work or something like that.). From a licensing perspective, Master's level people can all basically do the same thing. Some states have a licensed psychologist (or psychological associate) license that will let you do some testing that other licenses don't allow, but most states have a generic "Licensed Mental Health Clinician" or "Licensed Professional Counselor" license for people with psych or counseling master's degrees.

Also, I know that some therapists do well. I'd love to talk to anybody who is making a "truckload", as the jobs here are generally only a little above the state income average.

[3moose1]

Also, I know that some therapists do well. I'd love to talk to anybody who is making a "truckload", as the jobs here are generally only a little above the state income average.

i generally define $80/hr a truckload

[bjjgame]

yup,
I'm making nowhere near that.

[Colby]

Are talking billable rate or net rate? My billable rate is about $85/hr, but I'm not a therapist either.

[Coach Josh]

I had some strange hope of going in to the marines, learning the mcmap system, then becoming an instructor.

that seems quite unlikely, though.


The problem with me joining the military, is that i don't know what i'd want to do there, either.

And i'm too...smart for infantry, as the recruiter put it (no offense to any infantry guys in here...but the recruiter said i got some ridiculously high score on some ridiculous test or something, and that they wouldn't put me in infantry)

I joined the Corps when I was a junior in HS with the DEP. I choose to be an avionics tech. I scored a 93 on my ASVAB and with a 24 on my ACT (this was 89 i think the max was 35). Yes I believed I was too smart to be a grunt. The beauty of the Corps is your going to be a grunt anyway. I was just a grunt with technicail training.

I went to boot in Diego. 2nd Battalion Hotel Co. PLT 2043. Graduated boot a LCPL. Went to HnHS 90 at NAS Milington, TN and got into a bad accident that broke my back at L5. I was discharged Honorable with medicial. Served right at 2 years.

On the OP the Corps is still subceptiable to BS just due to percentages. Just in the Corps the checks and balances are better than in society.

[taijiamn]

While I was stationed in Monterey, the Corps had the largest group of late night larpers. We even had to report one because of a broken ankle. Of course, Monterey is kinda nerd central.