"Jail Yard Rush" knife attack: defenses, anyone?

[dingirfecho]

The Dog Brothers DVD "Die Less Often" deals extensively with this type of primal driven attack.

[valetudo21]

I don't have any experience in knife fighting or how to defend against a knife so this is purely from a mma perspective (take it as you will).

I think my first response IF i knew they had a knife would be obviously leave the area.

If i was attacked, i probably would tie them up and go to the ground out of instinct from training. I see some value in tieing people up as well, especially if you can limit their arms' range of motion.

Perhaps they drop the knife in the process, maybe not.

One way or another you are probably going to get hurt, or stabbed a couple times, it's just about surviving, no steven seagal crap.

[poidog]

The Dog Brothers DVD "Die Less Often" deals extensively with this type of primal driven attack.

[Ryno]

Some combination of: angle off, deflect initial attack, cover your vitals, counter attack to head, get two handed control on knife hand, headbutt, stomp, run the fuck away. Good defense may consist of all of those factors, or just a few. And even then, the odds are against you.

A knife is too unpredictable to really give an A-B-C defense. With so manny possibilities you'd be setting yourself up for failure if you tried a simplistic counter for every attack. When I teach basic knife defense, the main points are too minimize damage and escape. People who try to win a fight against a knife attacker with commitment usually end up dead. Escape is your best chance for survival.

If you are vastly more experienced than the attacker, it is possible to beat them up. But it's still not a guarantee.

[goosetherumfoodle]

Does anyone know what the Target Focus Training on the website linked from that video is about?

I love the claims made on the site:

In fact, handling one of these self defense situations is really much easier than you imagine, even when...

* You've never been in a real fight in your life,
* You're way out-of-shape (real fights end in seconds; this isn't the movies),
* You have physical limitations (we just gave a totally blind man his own set of self defense skills),
* You're old (one member of our Mastery program was 62 years old),
* You're small (a 120-pound woman once cracked the sternum of a 240-pound guy with a simple palm strike),
* You've got no time to practice self defense...
:phil2:

[dingirfecho]

[Hanniballistic]

I cannot see the video because it is blocked, but I'll try and log in and view it later before I offer specific coments, but in general terms.....

Most LEO knife tactics follow the "Pat, wrap, attack" line of thought

Pat = block/deflect
Wrap = control the arm with the weapon
Attack = duh!

In my force we practice shock knife drills against specified lines of attack (that we basically nicked from FMA) and random attacks.

I have no issue with pat and attack, but wrapping is a little bit "hmmm" to my mind

[leere_form]

wow, knives are dangerous.

by the way, you do FMA.. shouldn't you know how to deal with knives and such?

[rw4th]

Both STAB and Red Zone have material that covers this.

[Jim_Jude]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibGyGG3X4PI

This vid is the best I've seen on the actual execution, of a practiced knifer using this tactic.

For LEOs, doormen, martial artists out there, what defenses, if any, do you drill for this style of attack?