TC 3-25.150 not available for general public?

[DCS]

Wondering if anyone involved in MACP could tell me (a civilian w/o AKO account) why TC 3-25.150 is not publicily available as the FM editions were.

Thx

[Styygens]

Now I'm curious too. Does it include SOCP curriculum material that may be classified?

Weird, given that this openly published book provides at least some of the SOCP material.
http://www.amazon.com/H2H-Hand-Comba...rds=combatives

If parts of the SOCP are classified, it's probably not because of the mythical "techniques too deadly for the general public" but because it necessarily refers to classified information associated with Special Operations in general.

[DCS]

Found this:

https://www.facebook.com/32dCTF/posts/454415404632302

Bold mine.

[DerAuslander]

How many soldiers die in training accidents each year in situations having nothing to do with combatives or live fire exercises?

Now I'm curious too. Does it include SOCP curriculum material that may be classified?

Weird, given that this openly published book provides at least some of the SOCP material.
http://www.amazon.com/H2H-Hand-Comba...rds=combatives

Does it include new material? I thought it was the same as their previous combatives book, just with new high speed SOCP cover.

[Styygens]

Wow. That's not what I expected. Any idea which YouTube video is the cause of this? It's probably worth seeing. I'm wondering what other implications there are in this level of risk aversion in warfighter training.

Der -- The book includes a short, new, final section with SOCP info. It's maybe 30 - 40 pages. It is otherwise, as far as I can tell, identical to the first edition. I really should sell that first edition, shouldn't I?

[Phrost]

Damnit, I just threw out a printed copy of this that I had on my desk.

[DaTedBear]

Would you like an electron copy? :)

[DCS]

Military tag... check.
LEO tag... check.

It's a trap. :)

[DaTedBear]

Nnnaaaaawwwww, I would not be a party to entrapment.

[DaTedBear]

Now, you started off in the thread with MACP and TC 3-25.150. Naturally, since it has changed from the FM 3.25-150 back on 2002, the new and improved version is being sought by those no longer in a active/instructor capacity within DA. I am just saying there are some that kept their electronic files.

[wetware]

Oh for fuck's sake. For the first time in recent memory the US Army (not some parts of the Army and not some units in the Army) has an effective combatives training program that produces actual verifiable fighting ability and the officers aren't even the ones to screw it up?

I know CSM Dailey doesn't likely read Bullshido, but I'd really like to ask him which is more likely to cause a soldier's death: a training accident with competent medical personnel standing by or a close encounter in MOUT operations involving a soldier who has never been pressure tested in close combat.

I'm sure the CSM has soldier welfare in mind, but he needs to understand that this needs to be treated just like the grenade and firing ranges he's comfortable with: you take these risks in an environment that you control to reduce the risk in environments that you might not.

[DaTedBear]

Totally agree. After reading the story regarding the CSM and the subsequent board and decision, I was amazed at how much it has changed since I retired in 2002. Troops die in training every single year. We had a fatality incident here at Knox just this past month with the SEALs. It happens.