A wrestling question - the Front Head Shuck

[Uri Shatil]

I'm sure most of you wrestlers know the front head shuck. For those of you who don't, I would reference you to http://www.themat.com/CoachesCorner/...ck/default.php. I'm just wondering, if anyone here wrestles or is just familiar with the move, has this technique ever worked for you? The over-tie shuck (I learned it as "pass-by," but I'm pretty sure they mean the same thing) works, but it's a radically different technique. Has anyone used it to any success? I've seen it used, but I could never really nail it.

[International W]

It's a common move. I've used it on and off over the years. Often times it comes in a chain of moves. When you're wrestling, you have a certain moveset that works together in a sequence. Of course anything is rarely perfect, so you're constantly finding new techniques to add on based on what reaction you get. However, when I get a front headlock like in this situation, I make them pay for it. If I want a quick 2 (or 1 under freestyle/greco rules), I'll do it, especially if I'm close to running out of bounds. But if we're in the middle I'm going to see if I can work a gator roll, front head chancel, or work into a cradle.

If you want some advice on the front headlock (as shown), I'll be more than happy to. I have done some wrestling in my day.

[Raining_Blood]

pretty useful move that I have utilized a few times with success. As the poster above said you use it as a chain of 2 or 3 quick moves. The shuck was never my primary option if I got the front headlock but I would use it to set up a gut wrench in freestyle. When doing the move make sure you get around the back quick and work hard to attain the back. What part do you get stuck on in the move?

[International W]

How would you set up a gutwrench off of a front headlock? I could only imagine you trying to transition, maybe if you got behind first, but I don't think it'd be possible to go right from a front headlock into a gutwrench.

If you get a deep front, and grab all the way through onto the tricep you've got more options since you're only using 1 arm, but that'll be short lived. Personally if I got that front, there was no way I was going to let go. The Simmons boys at Michigan State were known for trying to and choking people with it, which is something I would do if I got a chance.

[Raining_Blood]

Sorry should have clarrified. I meant to say I used the shuck to get round the back and from there go to a gutwrench not a gutwrench from the front headlock.

[International W]

I was about to say....wow that's amazing if you can do that...haha. I would prefer to latch onto the front headlock and take the starch out of someone and then if I felt they were going to slee, I'd get the go behind for the takedown and start on top if we went out of bounds.

[OZZ]

Nice way to grab a point..
I remember being taught this in HS . I did it once in a match when defending a double and it was the only point I scored. I went for the gutwrench but couldn't pull it off..
I lost that match pretty handily. I think it was 6-1 or something.

[Bang!]

Would you consider that a "head drag?"

[vinhthekid]

Would you consider that a "head drag?"

no, because the head's already in contact with your body, so you 'shuck' it off to the side, versus an armdrag, where you shoot out, grab his delt and then drag it towards and across yourself.

[Van Isle]

Every time I used the shuck it was only to set myself up for a throw because you can get behind your opponent quickly.

[GoldenJonas]

We have drilled this quite a few times in my no-gi class when working transitions from turtle to the back.

The one thing I noticed is that the transition via head shuck verses say your typical BJJ hip and cross-shoulder post is a lot more violent. This is neither good nor bad, it is just different than if you come from a pure BJJ type school where everything (most transitions specifically) is kept close and space is kept at a minimum.

Although I have drilled the head shuck quite a bit, I have never actually used it during live rolling. My instructor has a wrestling background and we have collegiate wrestlers in class all of the time so we get exposed to a lot of different techniques, however, from a BJJ perspective, I thought the head shuck was a sure way for your opponent to recover guard.

Has anyone used the head shuck with success in competition or live rolling or has anyone seen the space created by the head shuck result in an opportunity for the opponent to recover guard?

[Roidie McDouchebag]

I've used it and many times landed in guard, but it sometimes it works, it really depends what your opponent is doing, if you KNOW he wants to keep driving in on his shoot, good, if not, not. It's not a go to move though.

[International W]

I've used it a lot in the past. It's a move you have to chain together with a couple others, and by no means a go to move really, but if you can slip it in once in a while, your opponent has to respect the fact it's always there. Sort of like any small move, a lateral drop, head and arm, etc. Anyone can do the move with enough drilling, but it's knowing when to do the move which is the right thing to know. That comes with experience and live going. If all you've got is the head schuck, you might need to learn a good duckunder to compliment that (I'm fond of this), or as someone else mentioned a head drag, or even the dreaded boot scoot. :-)

Most of that you can tie into a front headlock series, which I really like because you can hurt someone with that badly if you know what to chain together. Gator roll, cement job, head chancel, etc.

[Uri Shatil]

Cement job? Are you talking about the cement mixer? The cement mixer is one move that you never want to do, at least in my expierience. It will not work against a good wrestler.

[wakinonioi]

Unless you can just catch them right off the bat, you should move the opponent around in one direction before suddenly reversing and shucking in the opposite as you move behind at the same time.