Ryron and Rener Technique Video

[Aesopian]

By now you of aware that we're all Rorion haters, jealous of his success, which is why we lie and say he holds back techniques from his students under the guise of emphasizing THE BASICS and that we'd all be doing kung fu if he hadn't brought GJJ to America he's just using capitalism to the fullest he is the mastermind behind the UFC keepin' it real pure water jiu-jitsu fuck you Marc Laimon.

But that conspiracy theory is for another day. Today I'd simply like to post this video of his sons, Ryron and Rener, teaching two moves:

Ryron & Rener armbar tech

The first collar choke to armbar is all fine and good, but it's the armbar defense counter with the lapel that caught my fancy. It seems too involved at first, but I've been successful with far more elaborate and frivolous lapel hyjinks than that, so it gets a partial endorsement until I get to try it live.

After watching this and their appearances in a number of BJJ highlight reel DVDs, I'd be interested in attending their seminars if they made it to my area.

[Rorion Conspiracy Theory Addition: Rener's enthusiasm to share Gracie family secrets beyond "BUMP AND ROLL" is actually his way of rebelling against his father.]

[MONGO]

I like the 2nd variation very much. This is a common problem in Judo newaza because of the size of some of the competitors.

I'll try it out tonight................. I just hope I don't get dinged in a comp someday for untucking my gi top.

[Jitsuman]

What do you guys think about the crossing of the ankles when doing that mounted arm bar?

Even with the elbow inside the legs I find that it makes me 'lighter' and easier for the guy to roll up so I end up with the arm bar from guard instead.

[MONGO]

I like the control of the opposite side arm that it gives. It makes head control difficult but if I cross my feet its 'cause the guys holding lapel or wrists to fight the armbar and I'm still sitting up.

[GIJoe6186]

I dont beleive they are Gracies because they lack the thick Brazilian accent. Its way cooler learning from guys who talk with the accent.

I just learned a similar technique to that but its without the gi. I like it much better then the gi one he showed. Still is cool though. I wanna see the ruleset change in BJJ so you can use your gi AND belt to sub people. That would be cool!

[Samfoo]

So what's with the total reversal of stance on the "never cross your feet" issue? I'm not about to argue with a Gracie... but it seems really odd to me. Any insight?

[GIJoe6186]

I think its never cross your feet unless you have your feet under his far elbow. If you lock you feet under his far arm then he cant bridge to that side. If you cross your feet over his arm though your feet are not on the mat keeping him down(if he can move up he can bridge). I think thats what the main difference is.

[fanatical]

Crossing your feet over the arm is bad. Crossing your feet under the arm with the foot over the head on the bottom can be done. It will make you lighter, but you will have the control to follow them around if they try to roll. It also makes the control tighter so it can be harder to yank the elbow through the legs and down to the mat.

But I generally don't anyway.

[Pandinha]

By now you of aware that we're all Rorion haters, jealous of his success, which is why we lie and say he holds back techniques from his students under the guise of emphasizing THE BASICS and that we'd all be doing kung fu if he hadn't brought GJJ to America he's just using capitalism to the fullest he is the mastermind behind the UFC keepin' it real pure water jiu-jitsu fuck you Marc Laimon.

But that conspiracy theory is for another day. Today I'd simply like to post this video of his sons, Ryron and Rener, teaching two moves:

Ryron & Rener armbar tech

The first collar choke to armbar is all fine and good, but it's the armbar defense counter with the lapel that caught my fancy. It seems too involved at first, but I've been successful with far more elaborate and frivolous lapel hyjinks than that, so it gets a partial endorsement until I get to try it live.

After watching this and their appearances in a number of BJJ highlight reel DVDs, I'd be interested in attending their seminars if they made it to my area.

[Rorion Conspiracy Theory Addition: Rener's enthusiasm to share Gracie family secrets beyond "BUMP AND ROLL" is actually his way of rebelling against his father.]

I've always laughed at people who said that you don't learn anything at the GA academy because Rorion holds back.

Ryron's attack on the collar into armbar was something we practiced alot. Both the boys are awesome instructors.

I totally forgot about that armbar technique, Rener taught it to me during a private years ago. It works, and works great.

[Mjelva]

Hmm...time to take notes.

[MEGALEF]

Total lol-age (omigod I'm such a crappler)

I watched this video friday and practiced it a few times on a guy who lives in my corridor. Sunday I went and won two matches with that very cross-choke to armbar in a competition.

[GoldenJonas]

What do you guys think about the crossing of the ankles when doing that mounted arm bar?

Even with the elbow inside the legs I find that it makes me 'lighter' and easier for the guy to roll up so I end up with the arm bar from guard instead.

Bas Rutten addressed this very question on his Big DVD's of Combat, I thought his take on it was pretty interesting.

He varies the angle of the elbow while twisting the hand and bicep in opposite directions when applying the arm bar. His hip thrust ends up being at more of an angle; hips thrust down toward the opponents waist at roughly a 45 degree angle rather than the typical 90 degree straight up after securing the arm.

He also crosses his feet (can't remember if it is head foot over chest foot or visa versa) and maintains that it actually gives him better control than not cross. He does state that there is a split regarding whether it is "correct" or not to cross.......but.....he's Bas Rutten and he doesn't give a fuck.

After watching the video I tried the "Bas" arm bar slight variation during randori and found the twist and 45 degree thrust (without the leg cross) resulted in a quicker reaction, i.e., tap out, than the standard. BUT, to each his own I guess.

I've always been taught that crossing was blasphemy so I don't cross, I just thought Bas' take was different.

[UpaLumpa]

Crossing your feet is one of those things people make too big a deal about.

[MONGO]

Crossing your feet is one of those things people make too big a deal about.

Word.

There are times when it helps to secure position and other times where it makes everything go south.

[Cassius]

Crossing your feet is one of those things people make too big a deal about.

Bingo.

Incidentally, I taught the grip break to my instructor tonight. He hadn't seen it before, and he liked it quite a bit. Feel free to assume that he'll be using it on me the next time we roll.